Spidermites... WWIII

Ok all, so this obviously isn't the first or only thread about these little bastards... I got some clones and a mother from a grower buddy about 2-3 months ago, had a few spidermite problems with my clones but dipped them in neem and seemed to fix the problem, for a while...
Now the clones are in the flowering room and while I am not having much problems with them, yet, my mother plants is getting taken over by these little bastards!!
I have a neem oil mix, a no pest strip in the room and I have Ed Rosenthals Zero Tolerance Pesticide which has cinammon and other oils in it, I have sprayed the mom 2x week for the past 2 weeks and I don't seem to be making any progress... It seems like specks of dirt but there is a lot on top of the leaves as well as under, are these possibly dead mites that fell off from above??
I just took some clones off of her for the next crop and I'm sure I'm gonna have problems with them too...
Like I said, I also have a neem oil mix that I bought from the local garen store... I plan on dipping the clones in the neem mix before they are transplanted however since the mother is in the same room as them I'm sure the mites will simply crawl over to the clones and I'll never beat this problem...
I have some bug bombs that have permithrum in them, can I close off all ventilation and bug bomb my house or will this harm my plants cuz some will probably enter the grow tent/cabinet even with vents closed...
I was thinking I'd set off these bombs today, order a 1oz bottle of floramite and hopefully have by the end of week... How is floramite applied?? Via foliar spray or with nutes?? Also can I use the floramite on flowering plants or is that a no no??

If you bomb, remove any fish in the area. We didn't and killed ours.

If possible. maybe take the infested plant outside and spray it vigorously with hose.
This will remove many mites, and their crap, and maybe give you a chance to get a good grip on the current situation.
Whatever you do, you'll need to re-do in 2-3 weeks to get any fresh hatchlings.

Mr fishy seems to have given you all the advice you need,good luck man

thanks mr fishy... also, have you or anyone else ever heard of raising the co2 level in the room very high for a short period of time to suffocate all mites?? I read something about it one time but cannot recall the exact ppm it needs to be at or the duration it needs to be left there...
Can the floramite be used during flowering?? I'm already 4 weeks in so I imagine probably not... Luckily these plants in the grow cab are not having near the issues that the mother is having, I'll try maybe putting in the shower tonite but outside, prolly not happening with neighbors and such...

yea dude that will work im pretty sure..if you are running CO2 you can raise it higher and kill them bastards off.

i havnt tried this myself but was told it works u just have to be careful you dont kill your plants too.

Ice

Try a shower on low pressure (It rains out side)



also Johnson and Johnson (must be this brand?) baby power.

also plant soap spray

You need some Mite Destroyers. It is a predator bug that will eat your mites.

I have had Spider mites, I have had Fungal Gnats, and I have Thrips currently. Lets just say I have had more problems then most people.

Honestly I have tried all types of oils, sprays, poisons, bombs, everything! What I have found to work the best is the most organic. Predator bugs! I let Asian beetles and spiders live in my garden and it is killing off my Thrips!

You might have to get rid of all your plants. Bomb the shit out of your whole house and start from scratch.

I got clones from some asshole with spider mites on it too. You know what I do now? I start from seed and make my own clones. . . .

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You need some Mite Destroyers. It is a predator bug that will eat your mites.

I have had Spider mites, I have had Fungal Gnats, and I have Thrips currently. Lets just say I have had more problems then most people.

Honestly I have tried all types of oils, sprays, poisons, bombs, everything! What I have found to work the best is the most organic. Predator bugs! I let Asian beetles and spiders live in my garden and it is killing off my Thrips!

You might have to get rid of all your plants. Bomb the shit out of your whole house and start from scratch.

I got clones from some asshole with spider mites on it too. You know what I do now? I start from seed and make my own clones. . . .

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Ya bringing them in on clones is a real bitch but didnt wana have to fuck with sexing them... I closed off all vents and am bugbombing the house now... I'm gonna order some floramite (overnite delivery hopefully) tomorrow am and hopefully this will take care of all issues...
If not, I'm with you, i'm gonna flwr the mother out along with this next crop, then BB entire house again, clean entire room with bleach, pull out carpet (yes carpet i know this is probably where mites are coming from), and start from scratch with seed and cloning for sex so there are no issues with a male stayin in the flowering room too long...
Has anybody tried using 1-1 or 1-2 alcohol/water as a spray to kill the bastards??

ok for an update on the spidermite problem... i closed off all ventilation and bug bombed the house today... I sprayed the plant with 1:3 alcohol:water, let it sit for about 2 hours then took to bathroom and gave it a shower... I'm not too sure how much it liked this as I had a little more pressure than I thought and it tossed and twisted the branches and leaves around... but I'm sure that will all work itself out if I can just get rid of these damn spidermites...

still wondering if anybody knows the amount of co2 I'd need to put in my space to kill all spidermites in the flowering room i have a co2 setup but just dont know the ppm that is safe for plants but will kill bugs... I'm just starting week 4 and probably can get away with spraying one more time but the co2 idea would be great if i knew how much to put... also,if i had to would spraying the flowering plants with the alcohol solution mess up the buds??? I think i remember something about alcohol degrading thc or something?? If so I'll just try ed rosenthals zero tolerance although it hasn't worked yet i dunno why it would work now...

Sorry . . . no idea on the co2. Obviously anyone showering their plants needs to somehow concentrate their efforts on the leaf undersides, where the mites party.

Mites hate moisture and even high rH helps deter them. Not so sure they hang out in carpets . . . I believe they ride the wind into your life, or hitch a ride inside on pets, clothing, etc.

One thing for sure . . . they suck (literally!)

I'm going through the same exact problem as you - see my Spider Mite thread, it shows what I've done and used. I came to the same conclusion as you and ordered Floramite..I'm hoping mine will arrive soon, as well. I guess we'll both keep our fingers crossed and hope it's a miracle product. Keep me updated how your last procedure with alcohol, water, and a shower turned out? The only thing I did different was give ONE of my plants as a tester a dip in a 3in1 Insecticide with pyrethrens. Mine became infected because my girlfriend is an orchid freak and brings new orchids in everyday and is wreckless. Unfortuately my shit is in my living room so bombing my house would end up killing my cat. Might be worth it though?

matthewpolin said:

I'm going through the same exact problem as you - see my Spider Mite thread, it shows what I've done and used. I came to the same conclusion as you and ordered Floramite..I'm hoping mine will arrive soon, as well. I guess we'll both keep our fingers crossed and hope it's a miracle product. Keep me updated how your last procedure with alcohol, water, and a shower turned out? The only thing I did different was give ONE of my plants as a tester a dip in a 3in1 Insecticide with pyrethrens. Mine became infected because my girlfriend is an orchid freak and brings new orchids in everyday and is wreckless. Unfortuately my shit is in my living room so bombing my house would end up killing my cat. Might be worth it though?

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Can't you move your cat to outside of the house in a cage or cat carrier? That's what I do. . . .

Just get some predator bugs!

I just put my cat out in the yard for a few hours when i bombed the house then let him back in after i aired everything out... One other things i've heard of tryin is no pest strips, you can by at walmart in the pest section... I actually put this in my tent the same night I sprayed alcohol and i'm seeing great improvement in there, not sure which helped but just an idea...

Ok so my mother is looking greatly improved 2 days after her alcohol spray and her shower... b4 the lites turned off today I could only find a couple of black specks on her which is a great improvment over what I had been dealing with... I finally got tha floramite ordered and hopefully it will be here in like 3 days i guess, ugh... I'm planning on giving mom another alcohol spray this eve b/c i'd really like to kill these bastards w/o the floramite, even though I'm still gonna use it to keep them away...

last nght (daytime for plants) i noticed lots of tiny (like a sugar grain appx?) white bugs crawling on the glass around my lights!! i guess the borg are white to tan when they are born?? I knew the eggs were whitish but these were crawling around and there were some webbish things hanging down so i'm sure they are spidermites as well!!! NOT GOOD... these plants are in week 4 of flowering... would it be safe to sprays these with alcohol still?? i hear alcohol would degrade the thc, anybody know??? If i cant use the alcohol spray again i'll just use the zero tolerance b/c its safe up until 2 wks b4 harvest, but hasnt worked well so far...

GL with ur fight matt and if you find anything that works just FKN amazing let me know, lol... I have several pics of everything in my journal, check it out...

Be careful if you suffocate them with CO2. It's toxic to humans in high percentages. Not killing the fish & cats is all fine and dandy... killing yourself would put you in the running for the Darwin Awards.

Ok so I finally have all the problems in my mother/veg room worked out, i sprayed 1:3 alcohol:h2o on them 3 times in 5 days and the problem has subsided to a manageable level for now, until i get my floramite in the mail tomorrow hopefully....

My question is this, if the alcohol/water mix worked on the vegging plants/mthr it would obviously work in the flowring room too but, will this harm the crystals i have all over???

If nobody knows for sure i guess i'm gonna' have to be the one to take one for the team and find out... I need to figure something out soon though, i'm noticing webbing in many places now and don't want them to take down my crop, an dont really want to be smoking mite either, lol... Somebody know about this?? NEbody???

I read quite a bit about people having success with CO2, particularly large commercial operations, when I first had a mite infestation. I tested it in a 4x2x4 on some plants in a sealed grow crate and it didn't work for me. If I recall correctly, I took it up to 10k PPM and set a cycle timer to inject for 1 minute every five minutes which was a higher concentration and duration than what I had read would work. I think the tank is a 35 pounder, not sure though, its like what they use in bars, but I emptied it and they did not die.

No pest strips were the only true cure that I found but it isnt necessarily 100% effective and though I was mite free for over a year, I think I have managed to get some resistant ones going. It sounds like you have the right approach going though, which is using multiple types of treatments. That was probably my mistake with this recent outbreak, if I had started out using more than just the pest strips so there was almost no chance of resistance building I would probably be mite free now.

Some flea & tick shampoos have Pyrethrin in them; since spidermites hate liquid soap and Pyrethrin, maybe it would work to get rid of them on plants? It doesn't hurt dogs, cats, humans so it's probably pretty safe to use. I'm not talking about actually shampooing your plants, but maybe mix a few drops with water in a spray bottle.

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Some flea & tick shampoos have Pyrethrin in them; since spidermites hate liquid soap and Pyrethrin, maybe it would work to get rid of them on plants? It doesn't hurt dogs, cats, humans so it's probably pretty safe to use. I'm not talking about actually shampooing your plants, but maybe mix a few drops with water in a spray bottle.

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fkn a man thats a great idea... i went to the drugstore (not really dope, pharmacy) and looked for lice spray b/c it is pyrethrin based but it only had a can of spray with a bottle of shampoo in a pack, but I think you're onto something with the shampoo idea there bro, thanx...

i could buy this pack and be able to try both ways, and i bet ur right, just a few drops in a squirt bottle mite just be tha shit i need... i'm gonna try and get this going on later today..

I have been having pretty good success with the 1/2 alcohol 1/2 h20 btw in case anybody else is dealing w/ the borg currently.... I have got floramite on order and still waiting for it, hoping for tomorrow but i will keep posting itt until they are eradicated, stay tuned...

Good luck bro, keep us posted