Spider Mites Still Alive After Neem/Soap spray.

StonedGardener

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Canadian Joe said:
I wonder how well that would spray out of the Hudson Atomizer. I’ve not tried powders before.
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I hear ya......a super-fine water stream nozzle may plug up
Canadian Joe said:
I wonder how well that would spray out of the Hudson Atomizer. I’ve not tried powders before.
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I hear ya ! I have a " sprayer " vs an atomizer. The sprayer ( which has adjustable nozzle ) can generate a nice fine mist , but the droplets from an atomizer will definitely be smaller, could be a problem. I have a one gallon " Chapin " sprayer ( on sale at Amazon now for 14$ and change ). That thing has gotten me out of lots of trouble ! Maybe you could find an empty spray bottle , like Windex, and try it.
 
StonedGardener

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7CardBud said:
Might try that next week. My plants are still real small, since a groundhog mowed them down last month. I could make a DE slurry in a 5 gallon bucket and dip them.
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Great f'ing idea ! As far as a " recipe " goes , I just guessed , maybe around one cup DE ( food grade )per gallon. Like I said earlier, it kills fast, probably two days. First I cover up the top of planter with something like cardboard ( to avoid insects from falling off plant into soil ......I do realize you're dipping them ) . I then shake plant and spray with just water to knock off insects. Next I spray with slurry. It will " dirty-up " leaves a bit ". After the bugs are dead I spray with water to eliminate some of the DE. Your plants, being so young , probably won't even have any of those original leaves when mature.
 
obijohn

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Spinosad works great for me for all pests - mites, thrips, whiteflies etc. Why is it banned in Canada? My understanding is you can literally spray buds within a few days of harvest and be fine (I have for budworms). It's organic and dissipates quickly
 
Rurumo

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obijohn said:
Spinosad works great for me for all pests - mites, thrips, whiteflies etc. Why is it banned in Canada? My understanding is you can literally spray buds within a few days of harvest and be fine (I have for budworms). It's organic and dissipates quickly
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Spinosad should never be used during flower, it isn't nearly as harmless as bt. Quite a few batches have failed testing up and down the West Coast due to Spinosad. I wouldn't use it indoors unless as a last resort, and only during veg-it does work well however.
 
DrDukePHD

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Rurumo said:
For the past few weeks i've mixed 300 mg citric acid into a liter of water (this concentration is from a study), followed by 5 ml neem oil, and some dried yucca extract. The plants actually seem to like it. For a .05% citric solution, which is what a lot of commercial products go for, you just up it to 500 mg/liter, which is a good starting place for treatment (though you can use much higher doses successfully too). This is a really good weekly ipm spray.
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Thanks, so just search "food grade citric acid powder" on Amazon or could you suggest a good brand?
 
thumper60

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Rurumo said:
Spinosad should never be used during flower, it isn't nearly as harmless as bt. Quite a few batches have failed testing up and down the West Coast due to Spinosad. I wouldn't use it indoors unless as a last resort, and only during veg-it does work well however.
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Ya should not be needed indoor to many other safe things, But outdoor it can be used till mid flower at least just plain sun destroys it let alone the rain. Thing with Bt most of it stinks like old gym socks never ever spray that on buds.
 
PJ Diaz

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This stuff is pretty good used along with other products. In my experience you generally need to use multiple products to wipe out an infestation. Gotta give them a 1 - 2 punch.

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PJ Diaz

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Rurumo said:
Spinosad should never be used during flower, it isn't nearly as harmless as bt. Quite a few batches have failed testing up and down the West Coast due to Spinosad. I wouldn't use it indoors unless as a last resort, and only during veg-it does work well however.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but what harm does spinosad cause? I generally see some concern over it's use, but I haven't ever heard why, aside from failed testing, however I thought that was just because there haven't been enough studies done on it yet.
 
DCcan

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thumper60 said:
Ya should not be needed indoor to many other safe things, But outdoor it can be used till mid flower at least just plain sun destroys it let alone the rain. Thing with Bt most of it stinks like old gym socks never ever spray that on buds.
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Spinosad is my last resort, haven't had to use it for a while. It is nice to have it when you find an outbreak, knocks everything back.
It works much better than any Bt on most caterpillars, but nothing smelled worse than Bayer Serenade, never touching that stuff again.
That stuff smelled like a whole locker room full of socks, lol...you did warn me!
And their strain didn't work worth a crap either.

Just cycling thru some different things, or applying them together seems to keep everything from infestation. Simple stuff like sulfur a couple times will knock the crap outta bugs, especially in the surrounding area. Just have to watch drift when applying around flower/ oil.
Adding surfactant has been the biggest help, no matter what I spray.



Pesticide applications​
Product​
Veg/Flower​
Notes​
Essentra IC-3 oil (rosemary geranium peppermint)​
V​
Cannot be used within 2 weeks of sulfur, phytotoxic​
Neem oil​
V​
Cannot be used within 2 weeks of sulfur, phytotoxic​
Copper Liquid​
V​
Shaded areas, trees, bushes, Toxic to fish, fungucide​
Sulfur, Wettable Powder WP​
V​
Cannot be used within 2 weeks of oil, phytotoxic​
Azera Gardening azirdiractin+permethrin​
V​
Systemic use, Toxic to fish, don’t over spray to runoff​
Permethrin SFR​
V​
Systemic use, Toxic to fish, don’t over spray to runoff​
Surfactant, Yucca​
V / F​
organic wetting agent, non ionic, foaming surfactant​
Surfactant, Liquid Harvest, Diethylene glycol​
V / Early Flower*​
*synthetic , non inonic, non foaming surfactant​
Spinosad​
V / Mid Flower*​
*lower doses, toxic to bees​
Bioceres WP B.Bassiana strain ANT-03 20%​
V / Early Flower*​
*clay residue & sporulation, keep package cool, check date mfg​
LalStop G46 WG Gliocladium catenulatum 93%​
V / Early Flower*​
*sporulation, keep package cool, check date mfg​
Xentari WP wettable powder Bt -aizawai 1.2%​
V / Early Flower*​
*clay residue, Outdoor, caterpillars grubs, check date mfg​
Monteray BT liquid Bt -kurstaki SA-12 98% ​
V / F​
Outdoor, caterpillars grubs​
Microbe Lift BMC Bt -iisraelensis 8%​
V / F​
Indoor, gnats and flies​
Mykos WP Rhizophagus intraradices​
V / F​
Root drench, Keep package cool, check date mfg​
Recharge WP Glomus, Bacillus, trichoderma, kelp, molasses​
V / F​
Root drench, Keep package cool, check date mfg​
Grandevo CG Chromobacterium subtsugae PRAA4-1 30%​
V / F​
Alternate for synergistic action​
Venerate CG Burkholderia spp. strain A396 94%​
V / F​
Alternate for synergistic action​
Regalia CG Reynoutria sachalinensis extract 5 %​
V / F​
Systemic, higher drench rate can be used in fertigation if needed​
Neptune’s Harvest Seaweed Juice​
V / F​
Organic Systemic use, induces salt drought tolerance, bud sites​
Reliant Fungucide, Miticide phosphorous acid 45%​
V / F​
Synthetic Systemic use, induces PM resistance, bud sites​
Dr Zymes .05% citric acid, water yeast potassium sorbate​
V / F​
Can be used in late flower till harvest​
DIY citric spray​
V / F​
Can be used in late flower till harvest​
 
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DCcan

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I saw a mistake in the Xentari table, it's 46% clay and silca, not 98%.
Too late to edit it...
The clay powder discourages bugs and mold, helps screen the Bt from UV breakdown.
Re apply after rain.

Xentari WP Bt- a​
Bt- aizawai, strain ABTS-1857 54%
Kaolin clay and silica 46%​
V / Early Flower*​
Outdoor, caterpillars grubs, *clay residue​
 
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7CardBud

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StonedGardener said:
Great f'ing idea ! As far as a " recipe " goes , I just guessed , maybe around one cup DE ( food grade )per gallon. Like I said earlier, it kills fast, probably two days. First I cover up the top of planter with something like cardboard ( to avoid insects from falling off plant into soil ......I do realize you're dipping them ) . I then shake plant and spray with just water to knock off insects. Next I spray with slurry. It will " dirty-up " leaves a bit ". After the bugs are dead I spray with water to eliminate some of the DE. Your plants, being so young , probably won't even have any of those original leaves when mature.
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Using DE on the leaves seems to be the key to keeping these fookers in check.

I have been treating twice a week, first using a hard fine spray to remove as much as possible. Then spray or dip the plant.
Per gallon I have been using 1/2 cup DE, 1 Teaspoon DR Bronners Mint soap, 2 Tablespoons Neem.

The first time I dipped them, now I spray the plant and the container with the mix since I potted up. I don't wash the leaves so the light coating of DE will remain.
It looks like this works very well at keeping the adults in check. I have noticed eggs and a few live nymphs, but no adults. I think once the numbers are in check I will only have to spray after every rain.
 
Canadian Joe

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7CardBud said:
Using DE on the leaves seems to be the key to keeping these fookers in check.

I have been treating twice a week, first using a hard fine spray to remove as much as possible. Then spray or dip the plant.
Per gallon I have been using 1/2 cup DE, 1 Teaspoon DR Bronners Mint soap, 2 Tablespoons Neem.

The first time I dipped them, now I spray the plant and the container with the mix since I potted up. I don't wash the leaves so the light coating of DE will remain.
It looks like this works very well at keeping the adults in check. I have noticed eggs and a few live nymphs, but no adults. I think once the numbers are in check I will only have to spray after every rain.
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My plant is way too big to dip as it’s in a 25 gallon pot. I wonder if DE sprays well in an atomizer? Flows is about to start so I want to make sure there is no bugs at all. I don’t see any but there is always one hiding somewhere outside.
 
StonedGardener

StonedGardener

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7CardBud said:
Using DE on the leaves seems to be the key to keeping these fookers in check.

I have been treating twice a week, first using a hard fine spray to remove as much as possible. Then spray or dip the plant.
Per gallon I have been using 1/2 cup DE, 1 Teaspoon DR Bronners Mint soap, 2 Tablespoons Neem.

The first time I dipped them, now I spray the plant and the container with the mix since I potted up. I don't wash the leaves so the light coating of DE will remain.
It looks like this works very well at keeping the adults in check. I have noticed eggs and a few live nymphs, but no adults. I think once the numbers are in check I will only have to spray after every rain.
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I'm glad it's helping out...I've had great luck with it. We dust carpets and part of the yard where hounds hang outwith it to control fleas.......sprinkle on ground around house foundation to kill bugs,ants etc. When wet DE it doesn't work but dries out and is good to go. The " razor-like " material shreds the exoskeletons ....bugs dehydrate and die....yak,yakity-yak, l'm buzzed.
 
luckybleu

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lemmis said:
Homemade garlic spray with hot peppers. Look online for recipe. This kills spider mites on contact,(the pepper part, garlic part helps keep bugs off to begin with). Spray early evening as applying in direct sunlight can burn foliage.
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There used to be a recipe here ,I think Uncle Ben posted it.Im trying to find it,I've got a mite problem too.
 
obijohn

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PJ Diaz said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but what harm does spinosad cause? I generally see some concern over it's use, but I haven't ever heard why, aside from failed testing, however I thought that was just because there haven't been enough studies done on it yet.
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Unless you're growing to sell commercially and your state tests for it, there is no reason to not use spinosad if warranted. I've used it for years for thrips, whiteflies and spider mites, and directly on buds approaching harvest as a budworm preventative. Not sure why some here demonize it
 
Till Valhalla

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Canadian Joe said:
I was wondering if I was going to have to do this a few times. All the adults appear to be dead and gone. Guess I’ll be spraying again in a couple days. Normally I do it once a week as preventative. The Neem oil I sprayed earlier in the week with Dr Bronners didn’t do anything for the spider mites but the Concern and Bronners Peppermint soap did the job
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eggs > larvae > adults > eggs this cycle is based on temp. higher temps = faster cycle (3-5 days). lower temps = slower cycle (5-10+ days).

if it is cooler where you are (i am assuming this is the case as "canada" is a lot cooler than texas) you're going to have to be diligent for about 2 - 3 weeks and keep treating every 4-5 days to kill this initial invasion off completely. the treatments will also help reduce risks of mold/mildews forming. pretty much win/win.

not sure if anyone has thrown 'bonide - captain jacks deadbug brew' (spinosad) out there, but here it is. just started using this product this year. in fact a few weeks ago. after a few years of multiple organic DIY recipes with limited success. i am growing all organic for medical patient. this is effective, safe. and can be used close to harvest. (the product has its recommendations listed for use before harvest)

happy hunting, and make johnny rico proud.
good luck with your grow.
 
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obijohn

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Till Valhalla said:
eggs > larvae > adults > eggs this cycle is based on temp. higher temps = faster cycle (3-5 days). lower temps = slower cycle (5-10+ days).

if it is cooler where you are (i am assuming this is the case as "canada" is a lot cooler than texas) you're going to have to be diligent for about 2 - 3 weeks and keep treating every 4-5 days to kill this initial invasion off completely. the treatments will also help reduce risks of mold/mildews forming. pretty much win/win.

not sure if anyone has thrown 'bonide - captain jacks deadbug brew' (spinosad) out there, but here it is. just started using this product this year. in fact a few weeks ago. after a few years of multiple organic DIY recipes with limited success. i am growing all organic for medical patient. this is effective, safe. and can be used close to harvest. (the product has its recommendations listed for use before harvest)

happy hunting, and make johnny rico proud.
good luck with your grow.
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Yup, Capt jack's or other brands, spinosad is the shit for bug control. I had thought Bonide was another pesticide from Capt Jacks, didn't realize it was the name of the manufacturer. I have old spray bottles of it where Bonide isn't as visible as well and a bottle of concentrate, same thing
 
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