some help please!!

janiking · Mar 26, 2015

Ive just obtained a new addition to my garden, a buddy of mine is oving and doesnt want the plant to go to waste so he offered it to me and i took her home

shes

in plagron batmix , was flushed once due to nuteburn, is about 8 weeks old , beeh getting plagron alga-grow and alga-bloom i dont know the amounts fed or the frequency, basically she looks pretty sick to me and i would love it if someone gave me a hand, oh the strain is wipeout express, a heavy yielding auto strain.

az2000 · Mar 26, 2015

I see mg def. Add 1/2 tsp/gal epsom salt. N def too. I don't know the NPK of alga-grow and bloom. They recommend 3-4ml bloom in bloom. I'd probably do 50/50 grow and bloom to get more N to the plant.

old shol4evr · Mar 26, 2015

just getting it from a friend first thing i would do is flush it then feed it ,if he gave it to you he probally hasn't payed much attention to her,flush feed at the 8 week schedule give it a couple days to dry out see how she looks and go from there

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

az2000 said:
I see mg def. Add 1/2 tsp/gal epsom salt. N def too. I don't know the NPK of alga-grow and bloom. They recommend 3-4ml bloom in bloom. I'd probably do 50/50 grow and bloom to get more N to the plant.

yay , seems im getting better at the deficiency identifying, i guessed exactly what u you said, im on my way to get some epsom salt now.

old shol4evr said:
just getting it from a friend first thing i would do is flush it then feed it ,if he gave it to you he probally hasn't payed much attention to her,flush feed at the 8 week schedule give it a couple days to dry out see how she looks and go from there

Well to be honest, hes grown a couple plants and he didnt have problems with those, im guessing he had luck till now cause he considered it to be alright

He wanted to finish her but hes moving this weekend to a different country so he cant finish it which leaves me the pleasure

im going to take both your advices and go flush ,then epsom salt and a 50/50 feed, then ill post pics in a few days.

thanks for the quick responses as always

CA MTN MAN · Mar 27, 2015

I've noticed after nute burn it's best to give plain water for a few weeks to let it calm down.

Alienwidow · Mar 27, 2015

Ya id say water with calmag for a while till it relaxes a bit.

az2000 · Mar 27, 2015

CA MTN MAN said:
I've noticed after nute burn it's best to give plain water for a few weeks to let it calm down.

I can't tell if it's nute burn or nute deficiency. The OP knowing nothing about how it was fed makes this unanswerable.

If it were me, I'd feed normal strength nutes (maybe a little more toward the "grow" side if the OP has the nutes he mentioned), add 1/2 tsp/gal epsom salt, and mix enough to get 100% runoff.

I think that would touch all the bases. Feed if it's been underfed, flush if it's been overfed, and mg to treat the obvious mg def.

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

well the nuteburn happened early in the life of this plant it was planted into bat mix and it got burned . I warned my friend but he didnt believe me then i visited him a couple weeks later and the plant was already mg def-ed just not this bad, to be honest she looks really light green all around with obvious mg def signs and theres no sign of burned tips , so to cure all this i flushed her today, fed her with 50/50 grow/bloom ferts and im gonna add the epsom soon, im not sure how to cause im afraid ill overwater if i dont wait till she dries out. any ideas? can i dilute lets say half a tablespoon of water in half litre and just add that or am i better off waiting till the next time shes dry?

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

az2000 said:
I can't tell if it's nute burn or nute deficiency. The OP knowing nothing about how it was fed makes this unanswerable.

If it were me, I'd feed normal strength nutes (maybe a little more toward the "grow" side if the OP has the nutes he mentioned), add 1/2 tsp/gal epsom salt, and mix enough to get 100% runoff.

I think that would touch all the bases. Feed if it's been underfed, flush if it's been overfed, and mg to treat the obvious mg def.

i think its defficiency cause the soil was flushed really well and not much nutes have been added going by how much is missing from his bottles, hopefully i made the right call.. i hope i can fatten her up

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

ill get a picture without the hps yellow on it maybe itll show you more of what condition shes in , i really feel sorry for this plant

az2000 · Mar 27, 2015

janiking said:
im gonna add the epsom soon, im not sure how to cause im afraid ill overwater if i dont wait till she dries out. any ideas?

You should have added it to the nutes you fed. But, if you didn't have it, then feeding was probably better than waiting to get the epsom salt. I would wait until the next feeding. Add it to the nutes. If you try to get some epsom in there before the soil dries completely, it can cause other problems. To get much mg in there you'd displace the nutes you fed into runoff.

You can also foliar feed 1/2 to 1 tsp/qt. But, you have to keep the plant out of strong light until it dries. You have to be concerned about bud rot, weighing your environment's humidity, how long it takes to dry, whether you can/should use a fan to dry. It's probably not worth the risk. But, it's an option.

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

im going to foliar feed her after dark , i didnt have the epsom when i fed unfortunately.. im also considering misting the bottom leaves of the plant now cause they dont get direct light on em, would this hurt more than help?

TenerifeJon · Mar 27, 2015

I would have though batmix was to hot for a auto but o well how long ago was it put into batmix ? i used batmix all the time indoors in the uk good soil but i only put plants min 3-4 weeks old into it and used just rhitz for first 3-4 weeks it hot stuff batmix then i light feed the rest of the time with alga bloom and green sensation never needed cal-mag and nit addatives with batmix befor

CC Dobbs · Mar 27, 2015

I've been praying for your plant to improve and I believe I've proven my value. You're welcome

az2000 · Mar 27, 2015

janiking said:
im also considering misting the bottom leaves of the plant now cause they dont get direct light on em, would this hurt more than help?

I don't know. They're going to get wet if you foliar feed. As long as they dry in 30 minutes you should be ok. The risk is water getting into the buds and not drying. I'm in a dry climate so I didn't worry about it the few times I've FFed. But, if you're in the SE US, that would be something to worry about. A fan can help them dry faster.

Water beads can act as a prism focusing the light and causing burn. Keep out of of strong light.

You could add mild nutes if you think it's underfed. I think it is. 1/4 strength could help. People say to ph your foliar feed to 6.5. But, I don't think it matters much (as long as it's not hugely out of range, like 5.0 or 8.0).

I'd still add 1/2-1 tsp epsom salt to the nutes next time you feed. FF'ing is just an attempt to get some mg to the plant before then. When I had my first nute lockout due to overfeeding, I kept a plant alive with foliar feeding and had a very good harvest. I felt like the FF was enough to keep it going while I worked on fixing the soil's ph. I didn't realize it was salt buildup so I didn't do the fast/simple solution to flush. I was doing topdressing dolomite, watering hydrated lime into the soil. If I hadn't FFed I don't think the plant would have made it. (If I knew then it was as simple as flushing and reducing nutes, I probably wouldn't have had to FF. I haven't FFed since. But, I think it works.).

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

well problem is my humidity is pretty high i have an auto flowering in there and shes nearly done but im afraid of mold rh is in the high 40s.

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

CC Dobbs said:
I've been praying for your plant to improve and I believe I've proven my value. You're welcome

i dont think u seen this plant b4..

janiking · Mar 27, 2015

TenerifeJon said:
I would have though batmix was to hot for a auto but o well how long ago was it put into batmix ? i used batmix all the time indoors in the uk good soil but i only put plants min 3-4 weeks old into it and used just rhitz for first 3-4 weeks it hot stuff batmix then i light feed the rest of the time with alga bloom and green sensation never needed cal-mag and nit addatives with batmix befor

it was hence why it was flushed to bits

i told my buddy its gonna burn em he called me on it and well it burned,
also it didnt have proper vents on it so shes kind of scrawny its ment to yield between 100 and 150 gramms

i doubt ill get 50 seen as thou on her top the hairs are redding off already , maybe i can stutter harvest

and hopefully she gets fat colas on side branches, i feel like shes getting wasted at her current state

Budzbuddha · Mar 27, 2015

Foliar spraying getting on buds can be a concern. Can breed mold from inside buds. But I thought you mentioned it was an auto . If it is , and in 8 weeks , it should be near finish. Did you check bud triches. Autos are short lived : Grow , bloom , Finish.
I've finished autos at this time frame from seed.
It has at large center cola and minimal branching that is common.

Leaves will yellow because of the autos tendency to let you know its life cycle is near the end. I never bombard autos with nutes at final weeks. Just water. However there is some cupped leaves that be heat stress ( lights , temp or ? )

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