Slow Growth In Vegging = Bad Clones?

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McGruppsMonsters

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Always have had decent results, but I've needed to buy clones from friends for various reasons since I started growing. Next cycle I won't need to, as I'm buying a Hydro Hut to hold about 6-7 WW mothers.

I've noticed my veg time is always slower than others, I often times get clones about an inch tall when I receive them... and with the current cycle, they have been vegging for about 2 weeks and are only about 4-5 inches tall.

Should I expect this to change once I get to pick the best cuts off my mothers and only use clones that are showing signs of strength into the veg room? I realize I'm probably not being given the best clones on the mothers, as those are kept for the owners.

What you guys think? Also, I've noticed some of you take 4-5 inch cuts off your moms to root, does this work in a humidity dome or do they get too crowded?

I'll be rooting my cuts in with the moms, with a 600 watt lamp, but the clones will of course be as far away from the lamp as possible..sitting on the ground - this should work fine, right?
 
some of the clones I have are still as small as two inches tall after two weeks of growing! Something tells me these guys had a hard time rooting before beginning growth which leads me to believe they aren't the best cuts on that mom...
 
Also, if I cut my cuts too big to fit in the humidome...I'm guessing it'd be hard to give them the type of humidity I'm looking for while they are in the Hydro Hut with the moms?
 
Are they fully rooted? Whoever sells you clones 2 inches or less is a dick. I make my clones 6-8 inches, no point cloning any smaller.

2 inch clones are second cuts...I throw those away...usually I will have cloneable shoots coming off the shoots, but I use the full shoots and toss the tiny ones.

What are you vegging them under? I use a 250w HPS for my mothers, and it works great, I can veg a clone for 1 month and take 10 cuttings, minimun 6 inches each, usually 10-12 inch cuttings, but I make them shorter.

After I cut my clones I put the trays on the floor under the 250 with the mothers. your 600 will work great, and they will root fast.

You really dont even need a whole 600 to veg, you could Easily get away with a 250. With my 250w HPS I could put out 200 clones a month if I needed them.

Clones dont grow taller at all till they are fully rooted, and when they are rooted they go in soil, so you can make them tall enough to fit in the dome without worrying about them outgrowing the dome.

By the time they start growing you dont need the dome, you can leave them in the tray for a while tho if you need to.




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BCtrippin said:
Are they fully rooted? Whoever sells you clones 2 inches or less is a dick. I make my clones 6-8 inches, no point cloning any smaller.

2 inch clones are second cuts...I throw those away...usually I will have cloneable shoots coming off the shoots, but I use the full shoots and toss the tiny ones.

What are you vegging them under? I use a 250w HPS for my mothers, and it works great, I can veg a clone for 1 month and take 10 cuttings, minimun 6 inches each, usually 10-12 inch cuttings, but I make them shorter.

After I cut my clones I put the trays on the floor under the 250 with the mothers. your 600 will work great, and they will root fast.

You really dont even need a whole 600 to veg, you could Easily get away with a 250. With my 250w HPS I could put out 200 clones a month if I needed them.

Clones dont grow taller at all till they are fully rooted, and when they are rooted they go in soil, so you can make them tall enough to fit in the dome without worrying about them outgrowing the dome.

By the time they start growing you dont need the dome, you can leave them in the tray for a while tho if you need to.




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Thanks for the info.

The clones I get are rooted, I can see them through the rock wool cubes. As for them being short, yeah... they are just trying to make as much money as possible obviously.

Oh well, it's the very last time I will need to buy clones off anyone assuming my clones root just fine next time.

Right now I veg under my 1000 watt lamp pushed all the way to the ceiling and then slowly lowered down.

In my Hydro Hut I was going to use my 600, but it seems like that may be a bit too much light, perhaps I should buy a 400?

As for not needing a Humid Dome once they root... I understand what you are saying but if I cut 5-6 inch cuts off my mothers, and put those in rock wool cubes, the Humid Dome will likely not even fit over my cuts, right?

I sure can't wait to take my own clones... taking them at 5-6 inches makes my mouth salivate...hell, it'll cut down veg time quite a bit! If you could be a bit more specific about the HumidiDome fitting over the cuts, I'd be appreciative.

Hell, how the heck do you fit a HumidiDome over your TWELVE inch cuts? That must be stupidly crowded in there!!!
 
Also one more question... you mentioned you don't need the HumidDome once they root... aren't the clones going to want to be put into a bigger grow area once roots come out of those small rock wool cubes? I'm going to read your cloning thread later today and I'll post any questions I have in there too. Thanks!
 
I have had rooted clones sitting in a tray for a month, the roots just get really long and you gotta cut them away when you want to plant them.

And for the domes, I use tall humidity domes, total height of tray and dome is like 10"


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see home boy you said 400 or 600 i think and in this your words are
BCtrippin said:
Are they fully rooted? Whoever sells you clones 2 i my 250w HPS kiss-assnches or less is a dick. I make my clones 6-8 inches, no point cloning any smaller.

2 inch clones are second cuts...I throw those away...usually I will have cloneable shoots coming off the shoots, but I use the full shoots and toss the tiny ones.

What are you vegging them under? I use a 250w HPS for my mothers, and it works great, I can veg a clone for 1 month and take 10 cuttings, minimun 6 inches each, usually 10-12 inch cuttings, but I make them shorter.

After I cut my clones I put the trays on the floor under the 250 with the mothers. your 600 will work great, and they will root fast.

You really dont even need a whole 600 to veg, you could Easily get away with a 250. With my 250w HPS I could put out 200 clones a month if I needed them.

Clones dont grow taller at all till they are fully rooted, and when they are rooted they go in soil, so you can make them tall enough to fit in the dome without worrying about them outgrowing the dome.

By the time they start growing you dont need the dome, you can leave them in the tray for a while tho if you need to.




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kingkush said:
see home boy you said 400 or 600 i think and in this your words are
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I said I veg under a 250????? I said HE could use his 600????

READ IT

I run 2 x 1k in my tent and a 250w HPS in my closet....

Heres my veg closet....The 250 is CLEARLY Not in my tent....

SS250.jpgCloset.jpg




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So you guys think a 600 will be too powerful to root my clones in rock wool trays on the floor (three to four feet away from the 600)?

I figured a 600 would yield rigorous growth with my moms, but if it's not going to be able to root my clones too... I may need to reconsider.
 
McGruppsMonsters said:
So you guys think a 600 will be too powerful to root my clones in rock wool trays on the floor (three to four feet away from the 600)?

I figured a 600 would yield rigorous growth with my moms, but if it's not going to be able to root my clones too... I may need to reconsider.
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It will work amazingly well. Your clones will root way faster then normal. And your mothers will get amazingly fast growth rates.

If you have the light use it. Im just saying you could Easily use only 250w and have more then enough mothers/clones and be using less electricity.

Use it if you got it. Its just gonna be more heat to manage. I run my 250 without aircooled hoods and it never gets too warm.


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I already have an air cooled light (600 watt) that I'm trying to decide weather or not to leave in the flowering chamber or not. Taking it out would leave me with some extra space to play around with, and still have 3K in the flowering chamber.

The other option is be crowded for this cycle, and buy another light for the HydroHut... something like a 400 watt would work fine I'm sure.

You don't think the 600 watter will be too strong for rooting my babies? Thanks for the help BC..you da man.

Depending on how this current cycle goes, I will either do 16 per lamp next time.. or switch over to a full blown SOG with about 30-40 babies per lamp.

If I choose the second option, I'll need about 170 babies ready to rock for the next cycle... I'm wondering if I'll be able to produce that many cuts with 5-6 moms vegging for about 10-11 weeks.
 
Easily, if I veg 6 moms under my 250 for 5 weeks I could get over 120 clones. Prolly close to 200 clones, and another 50-60 of second cuts that I throw away.


As long as its far enough from the clones they will be fine. I just put my clones on the floor in the corner of my veg closet, not directly under the light, but they get plenty of light to root.

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Cool, just wasn't sure if I'd be over-doing the clones with the 600 watter in there. Thanks for the tips BC... I'll keep ya posted on my progress. I've never taken clones before so I'm hopeful I will catch on quickly. I'll likely try to root about 20-30 of 'em when I take the bottom 1\3 off the plants about to go into flower, just for practice.
 
Cloning is easier then you might think. Its ridiculously easy. I use rockwool cubes, trays with tall humidity domes, and Dutchmaster Rooting Gel.

Just take a nice cutting, cut it right along the main stalk, remove all the leafs, just leave the top 2 or 3, then decide how long you want the clone to be. Its best to cut through a node for the bottom of the clone.

Dip it in rooting gel, then stick it in a rockwool cube. Thats pretty much it.

Put the rockwool/clones in the tray, soak all the cubes and leave 1/4" of water in the tray, put the dome on it and throw it in the corner of your grow area.

All you need to do after that is open the tray daily to get fresh air in there, after about a week you should see roots coming out of the cubes.

Its really a lot easier then some people make it out to be.

Good luck


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Never knew about the part of cutting at a node for the bottom of our clone - you learn something new everyday! Is that always possible with cuts...I would imagine some secondary shoots off your mom don't really have a node... would you leave those on the mom until they do develope a node we can make the bottom of our clone.

As for leaving a 1\4 inch of water in the bottom of the tray...I was going to use the trays that have the little square portions in it... so that the rockwool fits perfectly in there... do we add water to each square 1\4 inch the way up?

Thanks alot again BC. I have a WW Grow Journal going right now, search for me... I'll keep my eyes open for you too
 
The reason you cut through the nodes is because theres a buildup of cells that convert to produce roots a lot faster. If theres no nodes to cut through Ill cut the clone as close to the stalk as possible, it will have the same effect.

If your using those trays, just make sure you soak all the cubes thoroughly when you first put them in there. You just dont want the rockwool cubes to dry out that first night after you put them in there. Keep a spray bottle near by, mist the clones with plain water and they should be good.



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right on just learned somthing..... been having problems with my plants, witch will become mothers i hope, been reading up on cloning when i found this thread...... my grow is on the link below if anyone wants to check it out im looking for all the info/help i can get...............so i read that clones should be about 5 to 6 inches right ?>?? before you cut them away from the main stalk...........well my branches or nobes ??? oh yea whats a node haha are only like two inchs if that long and a month into the grow....... this is my first grow so just learning as much as i can.... :weed: keep up the good growing :weed:
 
Yeah, I'm guessing you want to soak the little rock wool cubes to probably 4-5 times their normal weight and toss the clones on there once you've got that level of moisture? Really excited to start doing the same strain over and over and really get to know my genetics.

My best results thus far are with Sour Diesel, hopefully this White Widow can yield about the same though I doubt the bud will be at potent - the Diesel I grew was absolutely wonderful! Maybe next run I'll do half Diesel half Widow!
 
I leave the rockwool dry till Im done. Dip the clones in rooting gel, stick them in dry rockwool cube, put cubes in the tray, after about 5 I water them, then keep going. I find it a lot harder to stick the cuttings in wet rockwool.

Keep the rockwool wet/moiste for the first couple days, then go a little longer, give them a chance to search for water, but never let them totally dry out and wilt.

Cloning is ridiculously easy once you have a good method.


**Also I just wanted to mention, you might want to just leave the tray of clones under a bedroom light, like just the roof light, for the first day/night. Some people prefer to give there clones 12 hours of darkness before the light to give them a chance to settle from the shock.

After a day they will be totally fine under the 600w on the floor with the mothers.


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