Self pollinating a plant

I want to make fem seed.

Is it a bad idea to pollinate a plant with it's own pollen?

Say I put Colloidal silver on a branch of a female and let the pollen sacs open. It will pollinate the rest of the plant if I just leave it be, right? (Or with a little bit of wind or movement) .. Will these seeds be viable?

Or

Is it better to use the collected pollen on a few branched of another female plant?

Is there any difference in seed stability if I cross with a different strain rather than the same strain?

Thanks so much..

You can certainly self-pollinate a single plant by reversing it with chemicals like colloidal silver or gibberellic acid but if you have the option you should flower a clone of the same plant normally and use the pollen from the reversed plant to pollinate it. The seeds from a selfed plant treated with chemicals are more likely to be non-viable mutants. Outcrossing a reversed clone with a different strain is probably the best way to make 'stable' feminized seeds. Disclaimer, I have zero proof of any of the previous statements. Every strain is different and will react differently to any technique. If you have a strain that occasionally herms out due to stress I would not reverse it for pollen. The ones that you want to reverse with chemicals and collect the pollen are the ones that never herm out under any (sub)normal circumstances.

RMNPurps said:

You can certainly self-pollinate a single plant by reversing it with chemicals like colloidal silver or gibberellic acid but if you have the option you should flower a clone of the same plant normally and use the pollen from the reversed plant to pollinate it. The seeds from a selfed plant treated with chemicals are more likely to be non-viable mutants. Outcrossing a reversed clone with a different strain is probably the best way to make 'stable' feminized seeds. Disclaimer, I have zero proof of any of the previous statements. Every strain is different and will react differently to any technique. If you have a strain that occasionally herms out due to stress I would not reverse it for pollen. The ones that you want to reverse with chemicals and collect the pollen are the ones that never herm out under any (sub)normal circumstances.

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Thank you..

RMNPurps said:

You can certainly self-pollinate a single plant by reversing it with chemicals like colloidal silver or gibberellic acid but if you have the option you should flower a clone of the same plant normally and use the pollen from the reversed plant to pollinate it. The seeds from a selfed plant treated with chemicals are more likely to be non-viable mutants. Outcrossing a reversed clone with a different strain is probably the best way to make 'stable' feminized seeds. Disclaimer, I have zero proof of any of the previous statements. Every strain is different and will react differently to any technique. If you have a strain that occasionally herms out due to stress I would not reverse it for pollen. The ones that you want to reverse with chemicals and collect the pollen are the ones that never herm out under any (sub)normal circumstances.

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Say we were speaking of feminized autoflower seeds and I loved a certain strain and I wanted "free seeds" that stayed relatively true to the strain...... Since autos can't be cloned I could.

1) plant four auto fem seeds from the same pack of seeds... Pick the best looking plant and reverse a branch then isolate this plant and let it pollinate itself..Is this considered s1?

2) Collect the pollen from the reversed branch, then carefully pollinate a few branches from the second best auto.. Then chop off the reversed branch from plant one and place it back in the flower chamber..

3) Reverse a branch the best of the four in the flower area then just let the pollen do it's thing. This would likely allow all 4 plants to produce seed but hopefully not in copious amounts since there wasn't a ton of pollen to begin with..

I think that all would work just fine with 3 being the easiest and 1 being the least desirable.. What do you think?

4) would be to start with multiple strains and create hybrids..

sunny747 said:

Say we were speaking of feminized autoflower seeds and I loved a certain strain and I wanted "free seeds" that stayed relatively true to the strain...... Since autos can't be cloned I could.

1) plant four auto fem seeds from the same pack of seeds... Pick the best looking plant and reverse a branch then isolate this plant and let it pollinate itself..Is this considered s1?

2) Collect the pollen from the reversed branch, then carefully pollinate a few branches from the second best auto.. Then chop off the reversed branch from plant one and place it back in the flower chamber..

3) Reverse a branch the best of the four in the flower area then just let the pollen do it's thing. This would likely allow all 4 plants to produce seed but hopefully not in copious amounts since there wasn't a ton of pollen to begin with..

I think that all would work just fine with 3 being the easiest and 1 being the least desirable.. What do you think?

4) would be to start with multiple strains and create hybrids..

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1) Yes a seed from a self-pollinated plant is an S1. I was thinking that you were planning on treating the entire plant with colloidial silver to make the whole thing herm out and pollinate itself. Reversing just one branch and then using the pollen from that branch to make seeds on the other branches is possibly a decent way to make some S1 seeds. I am just wary of using seeds from buds that have been treated with chemicals. I have never tried just treating one of the branches before.
2) Inbreeding like this will create F2 seeds. I have never tried reversing feminized autos to get pollen but I have bred some regular autos. I have found that when you start inbreeding autos they will revert to the ruderalis completely by the F3 generation. The F2 generation is noticably smaller than the original seeds. I have only bred with autos a couple of times but this seems to be the way it goes. By the F3 generation they are just tiny little plants that only produce a couple grams of crappy ditch weed.
3)This is also creating F2 inbred seeds and you will probably end up with a reduction in size and potency.

I think that if you are trying to recreate your best pheno then #1 is actually the best way to do it. Self-pollinating feminized seeds that were created by a reversed plant in the first place is a pretty dubious breeding technique but the only way to really figure out if it works or not is to try it and then grow out the seeds. I would certainly be curious to see if it works or not.

I get lucky all the time, with 100% female plants resulting from using late flower finger pollen. I have self'd with it too and if the timing works out, never had an issue, yet. no chems though

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chemphlegm said:

I get lucky all the time, with 100% female plants resulting from using late flower finger pollen. I have self'd with it too and if the timing works out, never had an issue, yet. no chems though

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I agree that selfing with natural late flower pollen is probably the best way to make S1 seeds. Doing this stuff with autos is really tricky because you can't ever propagate the same plant again so you always end up inbreeding them instead of selfing them. In my experience with autos any sort of inbreeding will make the less desireable ruderalis traits come out. The best way to make some feminized auto seeds is #4 on his list. Outcross one feminized auto strain with another feminized auto strain. Since the autoflowering gene is recessive anytime you cross one autoflowering strain with another autoflowering strain you will end up with an autoflowering strain.

chemphlegm said:

I get lucky all the time, with 100% female plants resulting from using late flower finger pollen. I have self'd with it too and if the timing works out, never had an issue, yet. no chems though

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Thanks everyone for the input...

What do you mean by late flower finger pollen?

Lets assume we are going back to speaking of photos.. I could harvest much of a plant while leaving a few branches. Then I could put her back under 12/12 for a month or so and she would create pollen.. Then I could use that fem pollen in future seed making adventures, correct?

sunny747 said:

Thanks everyone for the input...

What do you mean by late flower finger pollen?

Lets assume we are going back to speaking of photos.. I could harvest much of a plant while leaving a few branches. Then I could put her back under 12/12 for a month or so and she would create pollen.. Then I could use that fem pollen in future seed making adventures, correct?

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yes, except leave her in 12/12 during harvest. little yellow banana looking fingers will emerge from within buds. they will open like flowers and spread their yellow dust. 100% garnteed chromo fems if pollen came from a healthily expressed donor. the pollen tastes bad, only waste a couple buds, high up on the plant.

Yea, I grew out a male before.. It was cool to see the sacs open up.. I'm hoping that no viable pollen from 6 months ago makes it into my current grow

sunny747 said:

Yea, I grew out a male before.. It was cool to see the sacs open up.. I'm hoping that no viable pollen from 6 months ago makes it into my current grow

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If you are worried about old pollen just spray or wipe everything down with plain water. Water will deactivate the pollen.

RMNPurps said:

If you are worried about old pollen just spray or wipe everything down with plain water. Water will deactivate the pollen.

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Wow really! Your claiming water deactivates pollen? So it never rains after plants get pollinated ?

Mmmmm how about growing 1 plant & using collidial silver & collect pollen & store
Then plant out the same seed & pollinate that 1, the problem I see , is that it takes longer to produce pollen sacs than a flower ready to accept pollen at its peak...…….the rule of thumb is pollen will freeze for about 12 months
Also a lot of autos are very crossed , so even by doing this your not going to get a stable strain , that's just genetics, but if u have pollen in the freezer u can grow a few plants on from the 1st batch of seed u make , then pollinate 1 of them , with original pollen , which should help stabilize the strain , anyway good luck

MadAboutWeed said:

Wow really! Your claiming water deactivates pollen? So it never rains after plants get pollinated ?

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I have always heard this as well... moisture make pollen non viable. I have no info to back this up just seen it I million times around here so take it with a grain of salt and ask someone who breeds. Happy growing

MadAboutWeed said:

Wow really! Your claiming water deactivates pollen? So it never rains after plants get pollinated ?

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Pollen is a species in itself in a way, diverse and specialized.

I believe the above fact of pollen deactivation true because cannabis/hemp pollen has no protective coating (as some pollen does) and hence water damages some part of it.

Mainly i forget the complex stuff, it needs you newbies to search out and uncover the truth again and then come back with the exact science.

Of course that would invole a wiki search on pollen followed by identifying the tyle cannabis/hemp uses. This should get the ball rolling for you

RMNPurps said:

I agree that selfing with natural late flower pollen is probably the best way to make S1 seeds. Doing this stuff with autos is really tricky because you can't ever propagate the same plant again so you always end up inbreeding them instead of selfing them. In my experience with autos any sort of inbreeding will make the less desireable ruderalis traits come out. The best way to make some feminized auto seeds is #4 on his list. Outcross one feminized auto strain with another feminized auto strain. Since the autoflowering gene is recessive anytime you cross one autoflowering strain with another autoflowering strain you will end up with an autoflowering strain.

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Hey Purps,

Just curious if you have bred with autos before?

I am preparing to create a grow designed to attain some seeds from autoflower strains.

If I Collodial silver sprayed Plant W, and with that pollen I pollenated the other strains ( X Y Z ).

Would X Y Z be able to be outcrossed again or would the recessive gene from W cause it to be inbred?