First time attempting SCROG, currently in first week of veg and wanted to adapt this tub that I used to grow fungus In. Obviously you can see what im going for but im wondering if it's too shallow? Will probably add a taller pvc based net that stretches above the first one for later growth. I'll have to cut out one side of the bin to lollipop but im not worried about that now. Will this work out with both plants? Should I get another bin? Any input appreciated.
SCROG in a Box? Pics
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Lucky Luke
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If you cut the sides out of it, it should work OK.
eyderbuddy
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I've seen tiny. But you're on THAT level... Damn brother...
You're probably counting on having the light super close so the plants don't stretch at all, but even so, the genes might kick in and they may turn out to be stretchy plants. I just think that that's a ridiculously tight space for the job.... Unless you're planning your topping technique to the Tee...
Even though, consider that as the plant grows, the pot will need to be changed. With a bigger pot you may already be hitting your net so think about that too.
You're probably counting on having the light super close so the plants don't stretch at all, but even so, the genes might kick in and they may turn out to be stretchy plants. I just think that that's a ridiculously tight space for the job.... Unless you're planning your topping technique to the Tee...
Even though, consider that as the plant grows, the pot will need to be changed. With a bigger pot you may already be hitting your net so think about that too.
Yea I did
Rakin
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I just taped all my holes up in my tubs and used them for tubs lol. I had the 66qt tubs and was getting like 8 per tub
Piratemccall
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I'd say the proportions and space are just too small to be implementing a method like scrog, one internode takes up like 20% of the space.
I'd go opposite of scrog in that space, i.e. the bonsai/defoliation approach, waves of defoliation, pruning, going for sub- 3/4" inter-nodal spacing head to toe, making as tight a shrub as possible with as much defoliation and light exposure as possible when you start flower.
Basically the opposite of scrog, scrog revolves around the "canopy", and you can't make a canopy in that small space with two plants, by the time they are any height vertically, they will have used up width, and there wont be enough bus sites or room for expansion. In space that tight, you have to focus on the veg more, make more of an art of it, again, i.e. bonsai, you want to fill all that small space with active budsites, not big fan leaves and not empty space between bud sites.
The veg will take longer, not just pumping veg material into bloom asap, but the end result will be well worth it considering the space you're using.And the plant and buds will be much more beautiful than what you're planning. Bloom is going to take 2 months no matter what, take the time to bring a mature shrub to flower, so you'll be flowering compact bud sites and not air... Kinda like these. A lot of the plants in second vid are extreme examples, but you get the idea. Done right, it will end up looking like just big buds on sticks. Leave the scrog to guys with more warehouse space than they know what to do with. Good luck :
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I'd go opposite of scrog in that space, i.e. the bonsai/defoliation approach, waves of defoliation, pruning, going for sub- 3/4" inter-nodal spacing head to toe, making as tight a shrub as possible with as much defoliation and light exposure as possible when you start flower.
Basically the opposite of scrog, scrog revolves around the "canopy", and you can't make a canopy in that small space with two plants, by the time they are any height vertically, they will have used up width, and there wont be enough bus sites or room for expansion. In space that tight, you have to focus on the veg more, make more of an art of it, again, i.e. bonsai, you want to fill all that small space with active budsites, not big fan leaves and not empty space between bud sites.
The veg will take longer, not just pumping veg material into bloom asap, but the end result will be well worth it considering the space you're using.And the plant and buds will be much more beautiful than what you're planning. Bloom is going to take 2 months no matter what, take the time to bring a mature shrub to flower, so you'll be flowering compact bud sites and not air... Kinda like these. A lot of the plants in second vid are extreme examples, but you get the idea. Done right, it will end up looking like just big buds on sticks. Leave the scrog to guys with more warehouse space than they know what to do with. Good luck :
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Piratemccall
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Basically, in scrog, you're trying to grow the veg vertically asap to create a canopy asap and flower asap once the space/light penetration is depleted by the canopy you created.
The definition of a canopy is that which blocks what's beneath it.
Once you have your canopy, everything below it is severely hindered, most scrog guys will lollypop that bottom portion the plant put energy into creating, and use the bed of greenery halfway up the plant to fuel top bud development to hopefully grow as big and tall as possible, like hopefully 1.5-2' tall, because that's pretty much all the buds because you've modified the plant in such a way.
Way more efficient in a warehouse type situation where you're constantly pumping dozens if not hundreds of clones(usually spindly) through an extremely rapid veg, IMO way, way over used in a lot of home situations. Rush to get to bloom. And usually people end up flowering plants that aren't fully mature/developed in a lot of ways, roots, stems, side branching, and run into problems in the two month bloom because they flipped a plant that, sure, grew, but wouldn't survive two nights if transplanted to a cozy hill side.
Like your situation, the dimensions just don't make sense. IMO, take the time to nail the veg, let it grow through some stages, grow awesome soil/media, thick roots, strong stems, compact structure. On the day you flip, flip the healthiest little muscle hampster it can be. It doesn't matter what happened in veg, the plant could have been on it's death bed at one point, but if it's 100% vibrant on day of flip, can;t ask for more. Conversely, a perfect veg doesn't matter if things go south right before/after you flip, and a nominally "healthy", relatively immature plant at time of flip will have many weak links going into bloom that may pop up.
The definition of a canopy is that which blocks what's beneath it.
Once you have your canopy, everything below it is severely hindered, most scrog guys will lollypop that bottom portion the plant put energy into creating, and use the bed of greenery halfway up the plant to fuel top bud development to hopefully grow as big and tall as possible, like hopefully 1.5-2' tall, because that's pretty much all the buds because you've modified the plant in such a way.
Way more efficient in a warehouse type situation where you're constantly pumping dozens if not hundreds of clones(usually spindly) through an extremely rapid veg, IMO way, way over used in a lot of home situations. Rush to get to bloom. And usually people end up flowering plants that aren't fully mature/developed in a lot of ways, roots, stems, side branching, and run into problems in the two month bloom because they flipped a plant that, sure, grew, but wouldn't survive two nights if transplanted to a cozy hill side.
Like your situation, the dimensions just don't make sense. IMO, take the time to nail the veg, let it grow through some stages, grow awesome soil/media, thick roots, strong stems, compact structure. On the day you flip, flip the healthiest little muscle hampster it can be. It doesn't matter what happened in veg, the plant could have been on it's death bed at one point, but if it's 100% vibrant on day of flip, can;t ask for more. Conversely, a perfect veg doesn't matter if things go south right before/after you flip, and a nominally "healthy", relatively immature plant at time of flip will have many weak links going into bloom that may pop up.
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Piratemccall
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Thanks man. Ha, yeah, got to typing without the space bar.... you caaaaan scrog whenever. What's a hobby without experimentation? I just... wouldn't.^ needs some spacing but decent write up
You can scrog where ever how ever
Where theres a will theres a way