Ron Paul debate cra

bedspirit

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I'm a big fan of Ron Paul, but did I hear him right in the debate tonight? Did he say that the CRA created a bubble? That's complete horseshit. The implication that the CRA had anything to do with the housing bubble is a Wall Street talking point designed to take the heat off of the secretive derivative scam they had going.

The fact is, no banks were forced to give out any loans to satisfy the CRA. Their CRA scores were already through the roof. Even if they weren't, the banks aren't required to give out loans to people who don't have the ability to pay them back. In the event that their CRA scores were too low, they don't get fined, the punishment doesn't even amount to a slap on the wrist. Lastly, over half of the institutions that gave out loans were not actually banks and were not regulated by the CRA.
 
He didn't say that

Ron Paul highlights from the debate
[video=youtube;BjvuHuekq64]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjvuHuekq64&feature=player_embedded#![/video]
 
CRA ACT created the following agencies from the CFR, who I would say share some responsibility for the housing bubble, indeed:

Federal Financial Supervisory Agency Code of Federal Regulations
Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC)
Federal Reserve System (FRB)
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)


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Seriously?

I heard that Ron Paul fucked a turtle. Anyone else hear that?
 
I'm a big fan of Ron Paul, but did I hear him right in the debate tonight? Did he say that the CRA created a bubble? That's complete horseshit. The implication that the CRA had anything to do with the housing bubble is a Wall Street talking point designed to take the heat off of the secretive derivative scam they had going.

The fact is, no banks were forced to give out any loans to satisfy the CRA. Their CRA scores were already through the roof. Even if they weren't, the banks aren't required to give out loans to people who don't have the ability to pay them back. In the event that their CRA scores were too low, they don't get fined, the punishment doesn't even amount to a slap on the wrist. Lastly, over half of the institutions that gave out loans were not actually banks and were not regulated by the CRA.

Yeah that is another often spouted Republican talking point
Blame it on minorities

Now every one together
SHout me down and say I am playing the Race card
 
Only Minorities are poor? That in itself is a extremely racist viewpoint. You have something against minorities?

Does anyone else notice that the word Minority isn't even in the OP? Duke , you are projecting again. Do you ever get tired of being wrong ALL the time?
 
Only Minorities are poor? That in itself is a extremely racist viewpoint. You have something against minorities?

Does anyone else notice that the word Minority isn't even in the OP? Duke , you are projecting again. Do you ever get tired of being wrong ALL the time?

Here we go again denying facts. The CRA was a law to prevent discrimination by banks in minoritie neighborhoods
DO i really need to point that out loser?
 
Here we go again denying facts. The CRA was a law to prevent discrimination by banks in minoritie neighborhoods
DO i really need to point that out loser?
so thats the scam they ran this on?

btw Idk wtf I was thinking in my last post lmao as someone quoted, I deleted it
 
The CRA never forced a bank to go outside its underwriting guidelines
The CRA loans that were made do historically better than other loans
The CRA prevented banks from redlining neighborhoods or charging higher interest rates because the applicants happened to be minorities
 
The CRA forced banks into making bad loans, but the banks didn't give a shit because they were securitizing the mortgages and reselling the derivatives. The banks made far more money selling the derivatives than they ever did holding the notes. They sold them to pension funds, Hedge funds, public union pension funds, money market account etc etc etc. They sold so goddamned many of them it drove the interest rates into the floor. Some of these Derivatives were touted as the greatest investments one could get, all the while, knowing they were toxic and would fail to perform, so the banks got smart and got insurance on all these bad loans they made, the insurer underwrote all the insurance with US Treasuries so as to ensure that any catastrophic event would end in the public bailing out all the moneyed interests and taking all the toxic assets onto the public dime. FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!! And then to top it all off the banks cried that they were undercapitalized and that they needed more money, then they got the money and gave themselves record bonuses. They basically shit in the face of the public trust and hardly anyone noticed.
 
The CRA never forced a bank to go outside its underwriting guidelines
The CRA loans that were made do historically better than other loans
The CRA prevented banks from redlining neighborhoods or charging higher interest rates because the applicants happened to be minorities
You are lost.
Use some common sense. Making loans to people with a poor track record of repaying, not enough income to make timely payments, and a low or no down payment was never done before for one reason. It was a horrible risk.
The reason it was done? The loans were insured.

treat the cause not the symptom. don't make tons of high risk loans, period.
 
You are lost.
Use some common sense. Making loans to people with a poor track record of repaying, not enough income to make timely payments, and a low or no down payment was never done before for one reason. It was a horrible risk.
The reason it was done? The loans were insured.

treat the cause not the symptom. don't make tons of high risk loans, period.
AND THAT HAS NOTHING AT AlL TO DO WITH THE CRA!
 
AND THAT HAS NOTHING AT AlL TO DO WITH THE CRA!
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/557087/201012161856/Slay-The-Sacred-CRA.aspx

The CRA compels banks to make mortgages to low-income and minority borrowers or face penalties including denial of expansion plans. Starting under President Clinton, the anti-redlining law became a quota-based system that pressured lenders to boost loan acceptance rates in urban areas.
As a result, banks extended credit to those who should never have been approved in the first place. HUD regulators also encouraged CRA "affordable" lending through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, injecting trillions of dollars of bad loans into the financial system.
"That requirement contributed to the large number of subprime and other risky loans that failed in the financial crisis," said Peter Wallison, a member of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission.
Even former Federal Reserve Board Gov. Lawrence Lindsey, a staunch CRA defender, acknowledges that the regulation "did contribute to a downgrading of credit standards."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/the_financial_mess_how_we_got.html

[FONT=times new roman,times]The Community Reinvestment Act was pushed hard by Bill Clinton, although it originated under Jimmy Carter. Asked about it the other day on one of the morning TV talk shows, Clinton said times back then were different. Fannie and Freddie had lots of money and he (in his infinite wisdom) decided that the money should not go to share holders or to executive compensation, but should be used to put the poor into homes.
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[FONT=times new roman,times]If the government strong arms one part of the business, the other part will respond. And strong arm was what the Clinton administration did, even using the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency to pressure banks to lend more money to the disadvantaged. Caught in the act, a spokesman for the office noted that its abuse of power was "for the best of intentions:" the same inclination used to pave the road to hell. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]In the short run, all sorts of money was to be made by lowering standards and processing sub-prime loans for the poor. The Wall Street Journal raised concerns about Fannie's and Freddie's capital requirements. Senator Phil Gramm (R, TX) raised issues about community pressure groups, such as Barack Obama's ACORN, extorting money from banks by holding their feet to the CRA fire, and threatening to militate against mergers and acquisitions unless the banks entered into preferential agreements with community groups.

[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Those of you who had money in Washington Mutual, which just went belly up, will be happy to know that WaMu, over the five individual reporting periods, had almost exemplary ratings on its commitment to CRA. That should give WaMu depositors great joy, to compensate for the financial mess they may be in. If WaMu had been less responsive to the CRA and more responsive to the market, maybe it wouldn't be insolvent. [/FONT]

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12 February, 2009 (11:12) | economy, foreclosure, GOP, money, Republicans | By: Suzanne Reisman
As the nation deals with the ongoing foreclosure crisis, Republicans and conservative thinkers have increasingly blamed the situation on the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). Not only is this tactic a smokescreen for the real problems that we face, but it is also patently false.

CRA requires banks with branches in disadvantaged communities stop discriminatory practices called redlining. Redlining means that no matter what the credit worthiness of a borrow is, if he or she lives within certain boundaries, banks summarily dismissed their loan applications. While redlining is technically illegal, banks continued to practice it anyway. CRA said that if you want to do business in a community, you need to find ways to responsibly invest in it. One way to do so is to find credit-worthy borrowers and provide them with mortgages. This worked very well for over 30 years.

Although the Act’s critics claim otherwise, CRA does NOT mandate that banks lend to disadvantaged borrowers who are not credit-worthy, nor did it lead to banks lowering their underwriting standards to comply with the law. According to an independent study of 2006 mortgage loan data conducted by the law firm Traiger & Hinckley LLP, CRA actually deterred banks from engaging in the kinds of risky and subprime lending that brought on the foreclosure crisis. Specifically, the findings show that:
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1. CRA banks were significantly less likely than other lenders to make a high cost loan;
2. The average APR on high cost loans originated by CRA banks was appreciably lower than the average APR on high cost loans originated by other lenders;
3. CRA banks were more than twice as likely as other lenders to retain originated loans in their portfolios; and
4. Foreclosure rates were lower in metropolitan statistical areas with greater concentrations of bank branches.

Whether one agrees with CRA&#8217;s mandate that banks responsibly serve the communities in which they accept deposits or not, the data shows that CRA actually deterred irresponsible lending. Further, the Treasury Department and the FDIC have emphatically stated that CRA is in no way responsible for the situation we are in today.

Instead of blaming CRA, we should extend CRA provisions to the independent mortgage companies and bank affiliates from which at least 75% of subprime loans originated. To continue to mislead the public on the benefits of CRA is not only immoral, but it would lead us into situation in which more &#8211; not less &#8211; of the irresponsible lending that created our current meltdown takes place.
 
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