Rez producing foamy bubbles, not regular oxygenated bubbles....WTF??? HELP!!

Wuddup guys,

Ok, so i just started growing with a dwc over the last couple days in hopes that it would save my yellowing plants. There has been really no progress in the growth, but the yellowing has stopped for the time being as the roots systems develop. But this morning i woke up and the rez is now producing a foamy mass of white bubbles on the top of the water, instead of just the oxygenated bubbles that just reach the surface and pop. Instead, it looks like i poured a bottle of pepsi in there the way that the bubbles are just forming and stayin on top. Is this healthy or is there something wrong with either my water or my airstone, or even my plant???

I really need some help guys, i dont know what the fuck im doin here, and im startin to freak out cuz its like everyday im havin more problems with hydroponics, n i dont wanna kill my babies off. Can someone with some experience please help me out??

Thanks in advance,

-K1.

what did you put in your res.........molasses??? drain it out rise it down refil it and get some h2o2

what would peroxide do for me?? and how much should i be using??

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

what would peroxide do for me?? and how much should i be using??

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it kills harmful bacteria that will kill your plants cures root rot and add o2 you wanna get at least 35% and just follow the directions on the bottle i use 75ml in 15 gallons at res change, i waight 20 min then add nutes

trying to find a [lace for you to bu it online, i got mine on ebay but cant find it now... it is great stuff though.....

hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is a clear sharp smelling substance very similar in appearance to water (H2O). Like water it is made up of Hydrogen (H2) and Oxygen (O2), however H2O2 has an extra Oxygen atom in an unstable arrangement. It is this extra atom that gives H2O2 its useful properties. H2O2 has been used for many purposes including cleaning, bleaching, sterilizing, rocket fuel, animal feed treatment and in addition many miraculous claims about its health benefits have been made. This article isn't about any of these; instead it will concentrate on horticultural applications. H2O2 is of great use for both hydroponics and dirt/soilless gardening.

What Does Hydrogen Peroxide do?
H2O2 is an unstable molecule, when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. Both the stable and O- forms will increase the level of dissolved oxygen. This is the method by which H2O2 is beneficial. Pre treating the water supply with H2O2will drive out the Chlorine many cities use to sterilize it. This will also degrade any pesticides or herbicides that might be present as well as any other organic matter. Well water can be high in methane and organic sulfates, both of which H2O2 will remove. Many disease causing organisms and spores are killed by Oxygen, the free Oxygen H2O2 releases is extremely effective at this. H2O2 will help eliminate existing infections and will help prevent future ones. It is also useful for suppressing algae growth. The free Oxygen atom will destroy dead organic material (i.e, leaves roots) in the system preventing them from rotting and spreading diseases.

Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.

In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution; this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish color with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginning of a serious problem. An organic, ‘dirt like’ rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscous circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.

How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/over watering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.

How to use it.
H2O2 comes in several different strengths 3%, 5%, 8% and 35%, also sold as food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. The most economical is 35% which we recommend be diluted to three percent before using, as at this high concentration it can cause damage to skin and clothing. When working with food grade H2O2 it is very important that you clean up any spills or splashes immediately, it will damage almost anything very quickly. This is extra important with skin and clothing. Skin will be temporarily bleached pure white if not washed cleaned. Gloves are strongly recommended when working with any strong chemical.

Food grade H2O2 can be diluted to three percent by mixing it one part to eleven parts water (preferably distilled). The storage container should be opaque to prevent light from getting in and it must be able to hold some pressure. If three-liter pop bottles are available in your area they are ideal for mixing and storing H2O2. There are twelve quarter liters (250ml) in three liters, if you put in one quarter liter H2O2 and eleven quarter liters (250ml) water in the bottle it will full of three percent H2O2 and the bottle can hold the pressure that the H2O2 will generate. Three percent Hydrogen Peroxide may be added at up to three ml's per liter (2 1\2 tsp. Per gallon), but it is recommended that you start at a lower concentration and increase to full strength over a few weeks. Use every watering even on fresh cuttings. For hydroponics use every reservoir change and replace twenty-five percent (one quarter) every day. Example: In a 100L reservoir you would add three hundred ml's (3%) H2O2when changing the nutrient. You would then add seventy-five ml's more every day.

Where to get it.
35% food grade: called food grade because it has no toxic impurities. Of course your local hydroponics retailer, whom you can locate over the web.(there may be shipping restrictions on high strength peroxides). The local feed supplier may have it in small towns. Prices range from fifteen dollars per quarter liter to eighty dollars a gallon. One gallon will treat up to fifty thousand liters of water.

3%5%, 8% Can be found at most drugstores or pharmacies, prices start at a less than a dollar for a one hundred-ml bottle that will treat one hundred liters.

What to do if you already have root rot.

In Dirt:
Use peroxide water with an anti-fungicide and a high Phosphate fertilizer (9-45-15, 10-52-10, 0-60-0) for root growth. Or any other product with rooting hormone dissolved in it is helpful in regrowing roots and is strongly recommended. Water heavily until liquid pours out the bottom of the pot. This sound like bad idea, but it flushes out stagnant dead water and replaces it with fresh highly oxygenated water. Don't let plants sit in trays full of water, the soil will absorb this water and stay too wet. Don't water again until the pot feels light and the top inch or two of the soil are dry.

In Hydro:
Change your nutrients. Add H2O2 to the system. This will add oxygen and chemically eat dead roots. If roots are badly rotted and can be pulled away by hand you should pull them off. They are already dead and will only rot, causing further problems. Add a fungicide to kill any fungus that is probably present in the rotted tissue to prevent it from spreading. Increase aeration of the water, get an air pump and air stones, or more of them, for the reservoir. An air stone under every plant is usually very effective, but will require a larger air pump. Models that will do from forty to four hundred stones are available. Decrease the reservoir temperature, oxygen dissolves better in cold water and disease causing organisms reproduce slower as well. A good temperate range is 62F to 65F; anything above 70F will eventually cause a problem. It is also a good idea to remove any wilty plants from the system and put them on a separate reservoir so they don't infect plants that are still healthy.

Summary
The key to big productive plants is a big healthy root system and Hydrogen Peroxide is a great way to keep your roots healthy. It is a must to ensure the biggest best crops possible and to increase the chances of your plants thriving to harvest. Peroxide users will rarely lose plants or crops to root disease and will harvest larger and more consistent crops.

u r right on the money brother! i just went thru this prob..........wish i would v learned this tid bit of nfo long ago.........staydown

Thanks Tussel. on my way out to pick some up right now. lets hope the shit fixes my problems. +rep

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

Thanks Tussel. on my way out to pick some up right now. lets hope the shit fixes my problems. +rep

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what did you put in your res to cause the problem.... temp, nutes, additives

flora nova makes bubbles i found. Its becasue of the mixing the veg grow witht the micro.

i had a friend have a very similar problem but he let it get out of hand. his airstones were covered in like an inch of gelatinous yuck the guy at the hydro store said was a yeast infection. he had to scrap the crop.

yeh right now im not using anything but ph'd water cuz i transplanted from soil into dro a couple days ago. the reason i transplanted is because ive alw3ays wanned to grow in dro, and also because the plant was yellowing SEVERELY in my soil, n i didnt know why. So i switched it over to dro, and the yellowing stopped, but so did the growth in general. The roots are starting to get a little longer, but thats about it. Im assuming that its because of the shock im putting the plant through, its stunned and it needs time to recoup before it shows me any love growth wise, so the root system needs to develop and adjust, and then ill see some growth.

As far as nutes go, i have the FF line, got the ponic growbig, n the regular bigbloom n tigerbloom, but those work for ponics too. I also have the GH flora nutes 3 pack grow micro n bloom. I dont know which i should be using for my nutes though, cuz im so new. I guess the FF would work just fine right??? n I did end up emptying out the rez, wiping it down, and refilling it, n then adding in some ph down to even out the ph of the water since im out of distilled. There was, however, a few pieces of root broken off and floatin around in the rez, but i dont thinkk that THATS what would cause the frothy bubbles to happen. Any advice for a beginner with dro??

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

yeh right now im not using anything but ph'd water cuz i transplanted from soil into dro a couple days ago. the reason i transplanted is because ive alw3ays wanned to grow in dro, and also because the plant was yellowing SEVERELY in my soil, n i didnt know why. So i switched it over to dro, and the yellowing stopped, but so did the growth in general. The roots are starting to get a little longer, but thats about it. Im assuming that its because of the shock im putting the plant through, its stunned and it needs time to recoup before it shows me any love growth wise, so the root system needs to develop and adjust, and then ill see some growth.

As far as nutes go, i have the FF line, got the ponic growbig, n the regular bigbloom n tigerbloom, but those work for ponics too. I also have the GH flora nutes 3 pack grow micro n bloom. I dont know which i should be using for my nutes though, cuz im so new. I guess the FF would work just fine right??? n I did end up emptying out the rez, wiping it down, and refilling it, n then adding in some ph down to even out the ph of the water since im out of distilled. There was, however, a few pieces of root broken off and floatin around in the rez, but i dont thinkk that THATS what would cause the frothy bubbles to happen. Any advice for a beginner with dro??

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i use fox farms in hydro with great results

the old soil and all yea you need that h2o2 and you b golden

keep your ph 5.6-6.0
keep your rez temp blow 72
use h202


what stage of growth (how old)

just two weeks man. thats why im not using nutes yet.

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

Wuddup guys,

Ok, so i just started growing with a dwc over the last couple days in hopes that it would save my yellowing plants. There has been really no progress in the growth, but the yellowing has stopped for the time being as the roots systems develop. But this morning i woke up and the rez is now producing a foamy mass of white bubbles on the top of the water, instead of just the oxygenated bubbles that just reach the surface and pop. Instead, it looks like i poured a bottle of pepsi in there the way that the bubbles are just forming and stayin on top. Is this healthy or is there something wrong with either my water or my airstone, or even my plant???

I really need some help guys, i dont know what the fuck im doin here, and im startin to freak out cuz its like everyday im havin more problems with hydroponics, n i dont wanna kill my babies off. Can someone with some experience please help me out??

Thanks in advance,

-K1.

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Did you put any water treatment stuff in there like dechlorinater before you got the foam?

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

just two weeks man. thats why im not using nutes yet.

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2 weeks is a good time for a rez change anyway at least thats what i do. ive actually done a full grow and just did one res change when switching to flowering but it works much better to do a change every 2 weeks, some ppl do it once a week but i 2 weeks is fine and i do the h2o2 every res change i only scrub everything clean b4 each new cycle

sounds like yeast. similar to the scum you get when brewing beer, had it before. I use Hygrozyme in my res, it keeps the water clean and eats away dead or decaying plant matter and turns it into food for the plants and stops root rot and other growths by taking away its source of nutrition.

Ok. My problem is a little different. I've got a stand alone res in my soilless setup. I've cleaned the res twice. But still Everytime I change it out, foamy bubbles start up. My pH shoots up but my PPMs stay the same. What's the deal?