Reminder
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jujubee
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Are you going to testify?
tet1953
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It appears that they have changed the location of the hearing to Room 228 at the State House. Here is a link to the DHHS page with the info:
http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/dlrs/index.shtml
http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/dlrs/index.shtml
unohu69
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thanx tet, gonna be a long shot that ill be able to make it personally. I notice they have a listen to the hearing live, link...
The Public Hearing can be heard over the Internet using the following link: http://www.maine.gov/legis/ofpr/appropriations_committee/audio/index.htm
But at the link, it says they are adjourned till the 20th??
The Committee has adjourned. They meet next on
Monday, August 20, 2012 beginning at 10:00 a.m.
Thank you to those that will be there. Even those of us who would like to be there, support you in supporting us all.
The Public Hearing can be heard over the Internet using the following link: http://www.maine.gov/legis/ofpr/appropriations_committee/audio/index.htm
But at the link, it says they are adjourned till the 20th??
The Committee has adjourned. They meet next on
Monday, August 20, 2012 beginning at 10:00 a.m.
Thank you to those that will be there. Even those of us who would like to be there, support you in supporting us all.
tet1953
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I assume that it means being adjourned as a committee doesn't mean they can't hold public hearings like this. I find it more odd that this public hearing would be under the auspices of Appropriations. I think it is more likely that the hearing is merely making use of the committee room, and the link to audio is for any audio coming from that room. So, the link has the announcement on the status of the Appropriations Committee.
It is also possible that this hearing is being conducted by Appropriations. I find that odd though since it isn't currently a money issue.
It is also possible that this hearing is being conducted by Appropriations. I find that odd though since it isn't currently a money issue.
tet1953
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It was a good turnout. So good, in fact, that they had to utillize two overflow rooms. I was in one of those, listening only. I am not sure how long it went; I left after about 2 hours. It was getting quite repetitive at that point and I believe most of the notable speakers had testified by then.
As expected, lots of discussion about:
The fence
The boundary
Numbers of plants
The motion sensor lights
Ability to sell overage to a dispensary/caregiver
There was early testimony by the sponsors of 1296 and others about whether DHHS even has the authority to write substantive rules such as these. Rather, it is the charge of a department to write technical rules only, such as those that govern forms etc. According to Title V, it is argued. Should be interesting to see how that plays out.
It was also suggested that the department go back and try again, this time with a workshop approach including caregivers, patients, LEO and others.
If anybody else picked up anything I missed, please add it.
As expected, lots of discussion about:
The fence
The boundary
Numbers of plants
The motion sensor lights
Ability to sell overage to a dispensary/caregiver
There was early testimony by the sponsors of 1296 and others about whether DHHS even has the authority to write substantive rules such as these. Rather, it is the charge of a department to write technical rules only, such as those that govern forms etc. According to Title V, it is argued. Should be interesting to see how that plays out.
It was also suggested that the department go back and try again, this time with a workshop approach including caregivers, patients, LEO and others.
If anybody else picked up anything I missed, please add it.
maineyankee
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From the Waterville Morning Sentinel
Tuesday, August 14th, 2012
AUGUSTA -- Diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1995, Falmouth resident Kelly Irwin found that marijuana worked better to treat her pain, fatigue and nausea far better than the opiates she was prescribed.
Irwin has successfully grown her own medical marijuana, but she worries she won't be able to do that anymore if legislators approve new regulations on cultivation.
She was one of dozens patients, caregivers and advocates who packed a legislative committee room to overflowing on Monday to complain about proposed requirements for 8-foot fences, motion-activated floodlights, property setbacks and vegetative plant limits.
"My current growing location meets the intention of the law in that I grow my marijuana on a secure and private deck, which is 12 feet off the ground, with no outdoor stair access," Irwin said. "The deck's location obscures the plants from view. The private deck's location is the only possibility for me because of my mobility issues."
The patients and caregivers said the proposed rules would limit access to medical marijuana for low-income patients and could actually undermine security for growers.
The Department of Health and Human Services, which has proposed the rules, will accept public comments on the proposed rules until Aug. 23.
Regulations must be updated following last year's passage of L.D. 1296, a bill that liberalized medical marijuana laws, most notably by removing the requirement that patients must register with the state.
The bill's sponsor, Rep. Deborah Sanderson, R-Chelsea, said some of the new rule changes do not reflect the intent of legislators, which was to increase legal access to medical marijuana.
Sanderson said the rules impose an unnecessary burden on cultivation, and some portions are too vague. The rules say, for example, that growers must comply with unspecified "other security measures" required by the Department of Health and Human Services.
We must "ensure that law enforcement officials have clear definitions of what is or is not legal, so that we aren't inadvertently creating a situation where a cultivator's misinterpretation of definitions put them at risk of criminal charges," Sanderson said.
Several people said that an 8-foot fence would be prohibitively expensive to build and would block sunlight from reaching marijuana plants.
Jake McClure, of Washington, said everyone's security needs differ, and an 8-foot-high fence would undermine the security of his cultivation. Someone stole marijuana from his property last year, he said.
"I built this humongous cage in my backyard to be completely compliant, and unfortunately I wasn't able to conceal it from the road," he said. "It was like a sign saying, 'Medical marijuana grown here,' and some of it went missing," McClure said.
Steve Ruhl, of Lincoln, was one of several people to object to a rule requiring the cultivation enclosures to be placed 25 feet from property boundaries. Ruhl said municipalities typically decide their own setbacks, and in many communities gardens can be planted right up to property lines.
"These plants are not dangerous," Ruhl said. "They are not toxic. We should not be treating them differently from any other garden plant."
Several people said the regulations place an inordinate burden on caregivers and low-income patients. Many patients must grow their own because they cannot afford to buy from caregivers, much less from dispensaries.
"The market forces on this are all out of whack," Irwin said. "The dispensaries which monopolize the distribution are not able to provide enough marijuana; there's a waiting line to get it, and the price is high. Meanwhile, the caregivers are capable of providing unlimited amounts, and it's a fantastic method of distribution."
Some people testifying Monday asked for changes not addressed in the proposed rules, including a couple of nurse practitioners saying they should be allowed to prescribe medical marijuana.
"I can prescribe opiates, I can prescribe anything I'm trained to prescribe," said Kristina King, who lives in Rockland and works in Hallowell. "I can set legs. I can stitch your wound, but I cannot, cannot certify you as a medical marijuana user if you need it. There are not enough physicians in the state of Maine who are willing to take the risk to do it."
Thanks so very much Tet for attending on behalf of all of us. Let's hope that some good (in our favor) comes out of these Public Meetings.
Tuesday, August 14th, 2012
AUGUSTA -- Diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1995, Falmouth resident Kelly Irwin found that marijuana worked better to treat her pain, fatigue and nausea far better than the opiates she was prescribed.
Irwin has successfully grown her own medical marijuana, but she worries she won't be able to do that anymore if legislators approve new regulations on cultivation.
She was one of dozens patients, caregivers and advocates who packed a legislative committee room to overflowing on Monday to complain about proposed requirements for 8-foot fences, motion-activated floodlights, property setbacks and vegetative plant limits.
"My current growing location meets the intention of the law in that I grow my marijuana on a secure and private deck, which is 12 feet off the ground, with no outdoor stair access," Irwin said. "The deck's location obscures the plants from view. The private deck's location is the only possibility for me because of my mobility issues."
The patients and caregivers said the proposed rules would limit access to medical marijuana for low-income patients and could actually undermine security for growers.
The Department of Health and Human Services, which has proposed the rules, will accept public comments on the proposed rules until Aug. 23.
Regulations must be updated following last year's passage of L.D. 1296, a bill that liberalized medical marijuana laws, most notably by removing the requirement that patients must register with the state.
The bill's sponsor, Rep. Deborah Sanderson, R-Chelsea, said some of the new rule changes do not reflect the intent of legislators, which was to increase legal access to medical marijuana.
Sanderson said the rules impose an unnecessary burden on cultivation, and some portions are too vague. The rules say, for example, that growers must comply with unspecified "other security measures" required by the Department of Health and Human Services.
We must "ensure that law enforcement officials have clear definitions of what is or is not legal, so that we aren't inadvertently creating a situation where a cultivator's misinterpretation of definitions put them at risk of criminal charges," Sanderson said.
Several people said that an 8-foot fence would be prohibitively expensive to build and would block sunlight from reaching marijuana plants.
Jake McClure, of Washington, said everyone's security needs differ, and an 8-foot-high fence would undermine the security of his cultivation. Someone stole marijuana from his property last year, he said.
"I built this humongous cage in my backyard to be completely compliant, and unfortunately I wasn't able to conceal it from the road," he said. "It was like a sign saying, 'Medical marijuana grown here,' and some of it went missing," McClure said.
Steve Ruhl, of Lincoln, was one of several people to object to a rule requiring the cultivation enclosures to be placed 25 feet from property boundaries. Ruhl said municipalities typically decide their own setbacks, and in many communities gardens can be planted right up to property lines.
"These plants are not dangerous," Ruhl said. "They are not toxic. We should not be treating them differently from any other garden plant."
Several people said the regulations place an inordinate burden on caregivers and low-income patients. Many patients must grow their own because they cannot afford to buy from caregivers, much less from dispensaries.
"The market forces on this are all out of whack," Irwin said. "The dispensaries which monopolize the distribution are not able to provide enough marijuana; there's a waiting line to get it, and the price is high. Meanwhile, the caregivers are capable of providing unlimited amounts, and it's a fantastic method of distribution."
Some people testifying Monday asked for changes not addressed in the proposed rules, including a couple of nurse practitioners saying they should be allowed to prescribe medical marijuana.
"I can prescribe opiates, I can prescribe anything I'm trained to prescribe," said Kristina King, who lives in Rockland and works in Hallowell. "I can set legs. I can stitch your wound, but I cannot, cannot certify you as a medical marijuana user if you need it. There are not enough physicians in the state of Maine who are willing to take the risk to do it."
Thanks so very much Tet for attending on behalf of all of us. Let's hope that some good (in our favor) comes out of these Public Meetings.
Maine Brookies
Active Member
Thanks for the update, Tet. You gave a more stakeholder-oriented rundown of the meeting than any of the papers did. It's good to see that the sponsors came down hard on DHHS. I would encourage everyone to contact their local legislators to discuss this huge overreach.
I completely fail to understand the rationale for requiring a view obstructing fence for an grow inside a building. It boggles my mind.
tet1953
Well-Known Member
As I mentioned I was in an overflow room so I could not see the speakers, but somebody came down hard on Rebecca DeKeuster. I assume she was in the audience because it seemed as though the speaker was pointing/calling her out during his testimony. He was talking about out of state money coming in and trying to corner the dispensary market, charging unreasonable prices, etc. It got a little rough lol.
I am not sure I follow you about the fence indoors, MB. Surely any mention of 8 foot fences is in regards to outdoor grows, right?
I am not sure I follow you about the fence indoors, MB. Surely any mention of 8 foot fences is in regards to outdoor grows, right?
maineyankee
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I just heard that the Feds are selling the blueprints for Fort Knox (and not the one in Prospect/Bucksport) for $1K. These will be the only approved plans that can be used if one wants to grow either indoors or outdoors. If interested, contact Theile Construction, Station 11, Augusta Maine 04330.
Maine Brookies
Active Member
I've gotten conflicting information from the media on this. Deb Sanderson, the sponsor of 1296 is quoted in the KJ as saying that all grows, indoor & out, would need the 8' privacy fence. THe Bangor Daily News has an article saying it applies to outdoor grows only. My reading of the proposed regulations is that the fence appears in a subsection that seems to tighten up the otherwise undefined "enclosed area with locks" language in the law's text. I emailed Deb about this three weeks ago and got no response.
It seems odd that DHHS would add this requirement to indoor growers this late in the game, unless they are trying to steer people to (the already overwhelmed) dispensaries.
Maine Brookies
Active Member
I suspect the fence is sposed go around the perimeter of your property, not the perimeter of your grow room.
maineyankee
Active Member
That is what the sarcasm in my answer was. I I were to see an 8 foot fence around a property, ( rather than a normal 6 foot ), I would assume that inside would be a grow. I wonder if they want the top barbed? It just seems to me that they are tearing this apart, and making it harder to grow, something that the Maine people voted for. Stop placing so many restrictions.
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