Avant_Gardener
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What is a good initial wetting agent for sphagnum peat moss?
Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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projectinfo
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Yucca, aloe
Chronikool
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Red Clover flower in the Veg room
Trippinout
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So I’m sure this has been asked but I really don’t feel like going through 400+ pages to find it.
I’ve used subs super soil when I use to do indoor I’m giving no till a shot I am using coots mix with pumice and water with aloe added some cover crop my plants are still young on second node from seed and the cover crop has started to sprout.
It’s a six seed mix of Buckwheat, Barley, Alfalfa, Clover, Lentil & Fenugreek.
Basically do I let that grow up then die and let it decompose or do I cover it with barley straw before that to speed it?
It does seem to dry up quick wish I did a light cover of the straw to just keep it moist?
Also where do I source coconut powder
Grocery store or is that poor quality?
Thanks for the help
I’ve used subs super soil when I use to do indoor I’m giving no till a shot I am using coots mix with pumice and water with aloe added some cover crop my plants are still young on second node from seed and the cover crop has started to sprout.
It’s a six seed mix of Buckwheat, Barley, Alfalfa, Clover, Lentil & Fenugreek.
Basically do I let that grow up then die and let it decompose or do I cover it with barley straw before that to speed it?
It does seem to dry up quick wish I did a light cover of the straw to just keep it moist?
Also where do I source coconut powder
Grocery store or is that poor quality?
Thanks for the help
Greenthumbs256
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honestly if your going to short cut the whole organics thing this may not be for you! just saying there is a lot to know and understand, it's not a hydro recipie, or like subs, and just water only! there is many methods like that, but no till is a much wilder beast to tame! I suggest you take the time and try to read some of this thread, if not most!
with that being said, to answer your question you can do either! you can let it die then cover it or you can cover it a Lil prematurely! won't hurt either way!
coconut powder can be bought from amazon or from build a soil. com
Trippinout
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Oh I’m slowly chipping away at it but everyone does do it a little different
I plan on starting slow get a worm bin going get the first crop off and keep building up the soil of after the first couple runs I’m not into it I will probably just amend the soil and add it to my vegetable garden
Thank you for the quick reply
I plan on starting slow get a worm bin going get the first crop off and keep building up the soil of after the first couple runs I’m not into it I will probably just amend the soil and add it to my vegetable garden
Thank you for the quick reply
projectinfo
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what are you trying to do grow green manure or cannabis? why does a multi input soil amendment mix require you to add a green manure?
You dont need to read the thread, you need to decide what it is you are trying to achieve? The soil green manure cover mix is for building soil fertiulity, does subs mix need help?
Are you trying to maintain moisture, suppress weeds? what are you doing? mulching or building fertility?
Are you growing companion plants or cover crops?
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Trippinout
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This is coots mix I use to run subs super soil
Right now it’s a cover crop will be mulched over before I flower still need to source some worms and get some coconut powder. I’ve used yucca and aloe so far and also some silica they seem to doing fine. I was a little confused with the cover crop at first thought you ran them at the same time but now I’ve decided to mulch over it.
But anything to hold the moisture in would be nice as these pots due tend to dry out quick on top.
I’m trying to run a no till right now I’m just looking for a Phenos I like from this run to clone so I’m not overly concerned with how the plants turn out. I’d rather build the soil up for next runs. I wanted to run soil and was tired of throwing it all out so I thought no till was the answer.
I’d like to get to a mostly only water don’t mind adding silica and stuff like that.
I ordered a worm farm to start vermicomposting just have to source some red wigglers but with it being winter in Canada most places are shipping them.
This all started with me reading true living organics and was going to try that with the spikes and everything but then I found no till and thought it sounded better
Guys just a quick question...do you guys think this is a wise idea...Ive mixed up new 'super soil' every grow and so far it has been spot on, shown no deficiencies etc....but im fed up the soil costs as most are...the ammendments aren't too bad as they are covered by the feed but also I have been told certain items like the volcanic rock dust take a while to break down and probably aren't that available for a fair few months (not 100% on this though!)...anyway heres my ingredients to my soil...
200litres biobizz allmix
50litres Coco
40 litres worm castings
20litres perlite
1kg bone meal (3.5-17-0)
450g Bat Guano (1-10-1)
450g Hoof and Horn (13-0-0)
1kg Seaweed/Kelp Meal
3 Cups volcanic rock dust
5tbs Epsom salts
6 cups gypsum
6 cups oyster shell
3 tbs humic acid
that's what goes into my base and I have never had any issues, ive currently got a grow about to finish in a few weeks but its cold here in the uk...getting down to the 0°C figure soon so I wont be able to 'cook' a fresh batch outside...so what my plan is will be to reuse the 'super soil' ive grown in and use a 1/3 of all the ingredients ive put into my base... so my plan is to reuse the batch but add the following...
40litres worm castings
300g bone meal
150g bat guano
150g hood and horn
350g seaweed/kelp meal
1 cup volcanic rock dust
2tbs Epsom salts
2 cups gypsum
2 cups oyster shell
1 tbs humic acid
I haven't done any tests on my soil so I don't know what has or has not been used up during the grow but do you think I will encounter any issues with there being an imbalance of certain nutrients...like the cal/mag ratios etc?
Sorry not all the ingredients are 'organic' as such!
200litres biobizz allmix
50litres Coco
40 litres worm castings
20litres perlite
1kg bone meal (3.5-17-0)
450g Bat Guano (1-10-1)
450g Hoof and Horn (13-0-0)
1kg Seaweed/Kelp Meal
3 Cups volcanic rock dust
5tbs Epsom salts
6 cups gypsum
6 cups oyster shell
3 tbs humic acid
that's what goes into my base and I have never had any issues, ive currently got a grow about to finish in a few weeks but its cold here in the uk...getting down to the 0°C figure soon so I wont be able to 'cook' a fresh batch outside...so what my plan is will be to reuse the 'super soil' ive grown in and use a 1/3 of all the ingredients ive put into my base... so my plan is to reuse the batch but add the following...
40litres worm castings
300g bone meal
150g bat guano
150g hood and horn
350g seaweed/kelp meal
1 cup volcanic rock dust
2tbs Epsom salts
2 cups gypsum
2 cups oyster shell
1 tbs humic acid
I haven't done any tests on my soil so I don't know what has or has not been used up during the grow but do you think I will encounter any issues with there being an imbalance of certain nutrients...like the cal/mag ratios etc?
Sorry not all the ingredients are 'organic' as such!
projectinfo
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Ever consider paying for soil analysis ?
, at least youll know if your getting buildups to reduce one thing or another.
Just a guess pal
yea this is half my issue...I haven't found anywhere worth using in the UK yet...I need to do some proper searching around but haven't really yet...I was tempted to just start in the soil and bottle feed if required but I was hoping to do it this way as its much easier with plain water feeding...
KasparGrower
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Hey bro I'm not from the UK but I know a supplier that sells and makes living soil/livung soil amendments. I hit you up with a link on private.
projectinfo
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/infos-probiotic-no-till-sips-2018.980455/#post-14607546
just started a no till journal if anyones bored
just started a no till journal if anyones bored
SouthShoreSeeds
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Hso og kush x og grape krypt in rols like always. 18 days from flip frosting up early. Stinking like rotting fruit.
TheSpaceFarm
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Im looking for a fast acting organic source of manganese. Anyone got any ideas? I know kelp meal has a good amount but its also high in magnesium which i think is the source of my manganese deficiency. Will adding more kelp only perpetuate the problem? I recently watered in some epsom salt and now ive got this one top leaf looking like this so i believe its manganese def.
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projectinfo
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Did you spill something on the leaf?
TheSpaceFarm
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Lol my old lady asked the same question. I haven't spilled anything on them. This is what i found that seems to fit my situation.
projectinfo
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Its a slippery slope spot treating problems.
Maybe you should look over what you have done to get to this point and what you can do next time.
Maybe a soil test, do you keep a log of what goes into each plant ?
Maybe you should look over what you have done to get to this point and what you can do next time.
Maybe a soil test, do you keep a log of what goes into each plant ?