srichard722
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If I was to quick dry my bud in order to turn it into bho will I get crap oil?
quick dry bud to make bho?
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lio lacidem
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Why not just run fresh frozen If you dont want to let it dry properly?
7mend07SweetnSticky
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Put it in a room with a dehumidifier for about 4-6 hour. Your bud will be dry then
7mend07SweetnSticky
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I hear the wetter the runnier the oil. But idk for sure. I've never run wet weed before
qwizoking
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I think that it depends on yur definition of "crap oil"
In short
A quick dry vs a slow dry would have more of an effect on an alcohol extract, the negative qualties of a quick dried bud dont really carry over
Fresh frozen retains more terps etc, flavorful compounds with some medicinal benefits, some strains are a bit disagreeable if done in this manner...to explain, during the slow dry of the "cure" polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids alter the flavor profile, its more robust with a lower ppm sensory threshold, smelling much stronger. Its less perfumey floral even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones being altered and volatizing away
The curing of the plant itself can effect your oil as does the moisture content. For example using fresh frozen material will green up a qwiso extract in a minute to the same degree fresh dried herb would in 24 hrs. Its much harder to make a quality product in this manner, even if superior in my opinion.The actual curing of the plant itself reduces nitrates sugars starches and chlorophyll, this gives well cured bud its characteristic smooth smoke. These compounds can carry into your extract
Now your wanting to go bho which is a good bit less polar than an alcohol extract obviously, it will extract less of these compounds
The medical benefits in cannabis come from the diverse compounds found inside. Cannabinoids and terpenes playing the biggest role, these would be things like thc (and the propyl) thcv cbc cbcv cbd cbdv and many more..the terps would be things like myrcene caryophyllene linalool etc
Drying the weed means you lose a majority of the water, which is in relatively much higher amounts than terpenes that can have a low boiling point..this means take away the water, take away some terps..then you still have to purge the solvent from your extract..obviously some compounds with a higher boiling point are also reduced during this process
This will raise cannabinoid concentrations..at a cost though
Now a quick dry implies higher heat, more airflow, lower rh..basically the faster you dry (evaporate), the higher the proportion of higher boiling point compounds are being lost as well.
All these things may not even be evident to someone who doesnt do this "professionally"
The common hay smell or whatever wont carry over, for the most part since your removing the trichomes everything associated with the plant stays behind.
technique plays the biggest role no matter what. And you could have the best material, done a pefect extraction and screw it up while purging.
As to the last post about wet weed and runny oil, i think goopy lol is more appropriate, hash oil filled with terps is wet and delicious looking due to compounds with a low melting point. "Runny" generally has a negative connotation in these circles but thats a whole nother long subject
In short
A quick dry vs a slow dry would have more of an effect on an alcohol extract, the negative qualties of a quick dried bud dont really carry over
Fresh frozen retains more terps etc, flavorful compounds with some medicinal benefits, some strains are a bit disagreeable if done in this manner...to explain, during the slow dry of the "cure" polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids alter the flavor profile, its more robust with a lower ppm sensory threshold, smelling much stronger. Its less perfumey floral even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones being altered and volatizing away
The curing of the plant itself can effect your oil as does the moisture content. For example using fresh frozen material will green up a qwiso extract in a minute to the same degree fresh dried herb would in 24 hrs. Its much harder to make a quality product in this manner, even if superior in my opinion.The actual curing of the plant itself reduces nitrates sugars starches and chlorophyll, this gives well cured bud its characteristic smooth smoke. These compounds can carry into your extract
Now your wanting to go bho which is a good bit less polar than an alcohol extract obviously, it will extract less of these compounds
The medical benefits in cannabis come from the diverse compounds found inside. Cannabinoids and terpenes playing the biggest role, these would be things like thc (and the propyl) thcv cbc cbcv cbd cbdv and many more..the terps would be things like myrcene caryophyllene linalool etc
Drying the weed means you lose a majority of the water, which is in relatively much higher amounts than terpenes that can have a low boiling point..this means take away the water, take away some terps..then you still have to purge the solvent from your extract..obviously some compounds with a higher boiling point are also reduced during this process
This will raise cannabinoid concentrations..at a cost though
Now a quick dry implies higher heat, more airflow, lower rh..basically the faster you dry (evaporate), the higher the proportion of higher boiling point compounds are being lost as well.
All these things may not even be evident to someone who doesnt do this "professionally"
The common hay smell or whatever wont carry over, for the most part since your removing the trichomes everything associated with the plant stays behind.
technique plays the biggest role no matter what. And you could have the best material, done a pefect extraction and screw it up while purging.
As to the last post about wet weed and runny oil, i think goopy lol is more appropriate, hash oil filled with terps is wet and delicious looking due to compounds with a low melting point. "Runny" generally has a negative connotation in these circles but thats a whole nother long subject
lio lacidem
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Great to have you back qwizo. Very well said
7mend07SweetnSticky
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Well said bud and yes that's what I meant lol
srichard722
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I feel smarter and learned something ty great write up
Fadedawg
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As QK notes, driving off the water with heat, vacuum, airflow, etc, also drives off monoterpenes, but if you are going to lose them somewhere else in your process, that is not necessarily bad.
We routinely bake our material at 200F until frangible, and pass it through a 10 mesh strainer, when making oral meds, but choose to preserve the monoterpenes when making shatter or waxes, by slow curing or extracting fresh frozen.
Grow Goddess
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You are right if you are going to end up cooking off the terpenes anyway, what's the difference.
I have found that if I apply any heat to my concentrate during the purging process, I can tell that the concentrate does not contain as many terpenes as a non heat decarbed concentrate. There is a night and day difference between the two. When there is no heat used, in most cases it is more runny, different strains will provide different consistencies not to mention the difference in solvents. When the oil has a majority of the terpenes in it, in regards to ingesting, it is so much more of a comfortable, mellow, smooth, and longer lasting buzz. Also, the quality of the buds bases upon the conditions of the grow room, plays a big role in the end product with regard to the terpenes. I have put terpenes on my high priority list when it comes to concentrates after having experienced the difference with and without.
When it comes to smoking or vaping, I don't think it matters much. The difference is very minimal. It is most noticeable using a bud vaporizer at low heat, but it does not seem to offer the intense benefits that concentrates containing the terpenes do. Just the heat from smoking or vaping damages a majority of the terpenes anyway.
I prefer to do a normal dry on my buds, a little extra dry when intended to be made into a concentrate. Store the buds in a sealed jar for up to a month, I don't believe that causes any damage to the terpenes. If it did cause damage, then you wouldn't see essential oils for sale unless they were super fresh and that would probably cost 100 times more than what they do. Everything would have to be pre-ordered. I think terpenes are most sensitive to heat and light.
Sometimes I will flood my storage jars with CO2 before sealing them.
I will have to compare doing fresh, wet buds, but doubt I will prefer it. Never know...
