Quantum Board, UFO’s, and the Unknown Bagseedm

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    DankTankerous

    DankTankerous Well-Known Member

    Hey Folks,

    In my previous journals I was growing in a PC case and have finished 3 grows in there. It’s been fun but definitely needed something bigger. My friends, who are carpenters, and I built a cabinet big enough for one plant with enough space for her to stretch their arms and legs. It’s 16”x32”x60” and was a bitch at times to build, but nonetheless we finished it. My light is a Horticulure Lighting group HLG 65 Quantum board with one 65 true watt Cob LED UFO, and one 50 UFO Light. I have a feeling that i’ll purchasing another HLG 65 Quantum Board after this grow. I’ve got a 4in Vortex In-line fan along with a carbon scrubber. The seeds are from some random weed that my friend had. Seeded weed doesn’t really come around at all so when a friend had some I grabbed as much as I can. They have proved to be very reliable, and resilient; all seeds have germinated and grown quickly. This plant is about two months old, but would have been bigger but I trimmed quite a bit back by topping. Then I accidentally snapped two branches after topping. I was trying to make the four main tops, and as I was bending the branches down to train for Scrog, they broke off. However the plant is filling out quite nicely. The screen is sort of home made, the squares on the original net were too wide so I had to improvise. I use only Organic products and am starting to make my own ferments and fertilizers. The soil is Vermicrop’s Vermifire soil, which comes preamended but I added more Bat guano, Alfalfa, oyster shell, worm castings, Kelp meal, Azomite, and Dolomite lime. I feed with AACT using various meals and other nutrients. I have also been foliar feeding with AACT: Compost, Worm Castings, Alfalfa meal, Kelp meal, Fulvex, and Ful-Humic. I’m going to be flipping on Wednesday, so I’m pretty excited about what’s to come.
     

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    Nugachino

    Nugachino Well-Known Member

    Looking good brotha. How's that QB going for you? I'm thinking about swapping my lights for some of those at some stage. Bit more even light spread. And more over head space.
     
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    DankTankerous

    DankTankerous Well-Known Member

    The QB is going great right now, it’s pretty damn bright. When I harvest i’ll Be able to tell you definitively how great it is. But as of right now my inside temps are only two degrees higher than what the thermostat is reading! That is fucking nuts! I live in a very hot state and with summer approaching I need a cool ass system!
     
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    Nugachino

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    That's the benefits of LED kind. They run cooler per watt than most other sources. While still outputting a decent amount of photons for the power consumed.
     
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    DankTankerous

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    Yeah man some really great technology coming out in the grower world.
     
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    DankTankerous

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    Hey folks,

    Today was the last day of Veg till I turned off the lights for a solid 36 hrs of Darkness. Preflowers have been showing for quite sometime, so she’s been ready to flower. I overwatered her, so she’s a little droopy and sad. There has been explosive growth on this leggy gal. She’s definitely born to be Scrog’d so she’ll give me lots of tops. The net I use really doesn’t hold down the branches but kind of let’s me separate the tops. I’m a little disappointed about it, but I know what not to do and will go about it differently next time.

    These genetics are almost all a mystery to me. I smoked it once and felt relaxed, I grew it up until 4 weeks into flowering and it smelled like a fresh rain dryer sheet. That’s all I know about it. When I rubbed my fingers along the stems, they smelled like tropical fruit with a little skunk and earth. She’s definitely an indica tho. Any who, here a few pictures from tonight
     

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    DankTankerous

    DankTankerous Well-Known Member

    Hey Folks

    It’s day 5 on 12/12 with rapid growth and a big spread. She is crazy leggy and has strong branches making it more of a struggle with pruning. She’s sort of making a comback here from overwatering these past couple weeks. I believe I have it under control now. I let her dry out till the bottom fan leaves we’re hanging at least that is how I found her when I got off work. So I mixed BioAg’s ful-humix with 1/2 a gallon of distilled water and poured a little at a time so the water wouldn’t flow down the sides and out the smart pot. When I fed it with an AACT brew she still needed to dry out a little more. Because of the over watering the leaves are curled down and were rigid, as if the veins pulled up the rest of the leaf giving it a serrated edge. With 3 grows in I am still making rookie mistakes :wall::dunce:

    There is definitly an aggressive growth noticeably different than when in Veg. It seems like it is dying to reach out further with its leaves. In one way or another it is dying and reaching out further in the grand scheme of things.

    The tea I fed her might have been a little ambitious. Here’s the laundry list of items that went into that 2 gal distilled water; 1 cup compost, Alfalfa meal, Kelp meal, silicate, ful-humix, Azomite, fulvex, LaB (lactobacillus), 3 month old Fermented Fruit Juice aka FFJ (is it still 3 month old FFJ still good? @NaturalFarmer ) 1/4 dose 0-10-0 Bat guano, 1/2 dose of Fish Hydrolysate, and some freeze dried aloe Vera powder from Build a Soil. Like I said pretty ambitious.

    Tomorrow I might build a compost bin with animal fencing wire and the excess would replace the weak net that is in place. I hope I can buy the fencing at a custom size. I really don’t want to spend 60 bucks on a whole roll. Nonetheless some really great things are happening in my neck of woods and I’m gonna accept and go with it.
     

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    DankTankerous

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    my leaves look and feel rigid and stiff. They are not flat and smooth. I wondered if the tops were too close to my Quantum board LED lights and sure enough they are. So I raised them to 15 inches above the canopy. But The rigid crispiness is still there. It was overwatered the past week, but I feel like I have corrected it, could it be left over from that? Also, I might have overfed it, but it was from an Organic AACT Brew. Has anyone had experience with this?
     

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    DankTankerous

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    I’m pretty sure it’s a zinc defiency. It could be caused by overwatering, alkaline soil, or too much potassium. My moisture meter has a ph meter as well and it’s showing alkaline, however it says that about all the plants in my house and their all on like 8 which is the highest, so it makes me suspicious about that. It was a meter from Home Depot it that makes a difference. I think I might skip a feeding and just do plain distilled water. What do y’all think?
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    Give it a little Epsom salt next watering. Teaspoon per gallon.
     
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    DankTankerous

    DankTankerous Well-Known Member

    I’m pretty sure the QB was too close to the plants so I moved it to about 20-24” above the canopy. The leaves look a lot more relaxed and not as tight and pruned. I gave it a great foiliar feed and soil drench with Garrett Juice, Aloe Vera, Ful-humix, mycorrhizae, and B.T. I’m skipping bloom nutes this week in case there was a shock with the lights being so close. Any who here’s a picture. Thank you all for the help
     

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    DankTankerous

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    I think leaf margins that are curling is caused by over feeding. I’m pretty sure I over fed last time, has anyone had this problem before? The tips are now starting to burn, and it seems like growth has really slowed down. Although I switched to 12/12 nine days ago, I expected to see more preflowers considering it’s been showing sex for at least a month.

    I’m considering flushing however I think i’ve read that, that’s not good for organic grows? Or rather it’s pointless? All I know is that it’s going to be given water only for the next 7 days.
     
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    DankTankerous

    DankTankerous Well-Known Member

    Hey Folks

    Flowering Week 1 Day 3

    The flowering starting day is a rough estimate, give or take a few days. I chose Monday just so it’s easier for me, plus it is over a week after the 12/12 switch. I think it’s safe to say it’s Week 1.

    The curling of the leaf margins is still going on, so I ended up flushing her 2x her volume, 6 gallons with R.O. Water. I can tell she’s already doing better just a couple hours after flushing her. I follow a breeder on IG who had the same problem by giving to much Alfalfa, so that might be my culprit. Either way she needs to be flushed. I’m going to give her at least one more waterings, maybe two, depending on how she’s doing.

    I have a feeling that she’ll be a big gal, but she’s a sensitive one too
     

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    DankTankerous

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    Hey Folks

    A lot of great things are coming up in the next 4 weeks: i’ll Be starting a compost pile as well as keeping a worm bin! I’m very excited about all what’s to come. I’m an urban gardener, that goes without saying, but I grow more than cannabis like Tomatoes, Bell Peppers, Strawberry Bushes and a shit ton of house plants. So having my own Vermicompost and Compost would really excel my plants and enjoyment in gardening. On to bigger and better things, right folks?

    Today I did the last of the bending and tucking. This created quite a bit more tops, I’m aiming for a dense canopy. Day by day the leaves are starting to unfurl and become more flat. I will give her at least one more watering before she gets fed. I want the leaves to all be flat so i don’t compound the over fertilizing problem any more. The soil has compacted quite a bit leaving two inches between the soil line and top of the fabric pot. When I feed it, I’m going to first put on .5inch of Vermicompost on top of that .5 of compost mixed evenly with 0-10-0 Jamaican Bat Guano, and top of with an 1in of cooked amended soil. Because of the vast root system it’s practically solid. When I put my moisture meter in the soil I’m pushing through a lot of roots. I feel like I’m stabbing the root system.

    Anyways Temps are 75 degrees, humidity is 50% it’s going pretty damn well. It’s quite a contrast from growing in a PC tower. These QB boards have a great spread and temperature.

    Right now the plant is 18 wide, 9inches deep and 10 inches tall.

    When I rub my fingers on the stems, they smell super floral.

    Anyways here are the pictures
     

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    DankTankerous

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    @Fevs. check out my new grow journal
     
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    whitebb2727

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    I would still give them a little Epsom. Some strains need extra mag under led. Some will want more Cal and mag.

    Those look to need a bit of mag. It will help uptake of other nutrients.

    I assure you a light watering with a bit of Epsom will help a bit.

    The sulphur in it helps with terpene production.
     
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    Fevs.

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    Didn't know you had started a new journal. Looking good. Things I thought of when reading this journal...

    1st'ly and I know this as I have done it.. It's easy to get a bit too involved with the f*cking around with plants when scroging. What I mean is when a grower removes growth from the plant just before they flip to 12/12, in general many leave it at least 5 days so the plant can recover. So if that's the case, many people scrogging are likely removing growth way too much and not leaving it for 5 days at any point in veg, so your plant maybe constantly trying to recover from being stripped of it leaves.

    Ever notice the pro scroggers grow there plants big and bushy, then scrog screen them. They do this so they don't slow it down in veg. Even then, they still remove a shit load of growth 'after' they put the scrog on. They always have many tops.

    I think you should just let the plants grow for a week, don't tuck any branches when they 'just fit' the next square. Wait until they look like they should be tucked 2 days ago, then tuck them. Tucking them too early just hinders the plant growth speed.

    All leds seem to be aiming at the middle. Aim the little leds at the edges to encourage plants to grow into the light there.

    My guess is your soil is too hot. Look at those little red cup plants, the tips are fried.

    Just give it plain water for a while.

    I tried adding things to my soil. The more shit I added, the more problems I have got. I'm going to just use a light mix from now, then just add some molasses, nitrogen and magnesium when they need it.

    Trust me, we are causing the problems ourselves...! :cool:
     
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    Fevs.

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    Epsom salts is a good shout, but I would spray it on the leaves in this case. I wouldn't add anything else to the soil at this stage, except water.
     
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    whitebb2727

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    It won't hurt using it in soil.

    No need to make an extra watering. Just use next watering. Won't hurt pH or anything.
     
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    DankTankerous

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    Dammit I wish I would have read this before I came home, because I plucked a few leaves off. Yeah a lot is already in the soil. It came preamemded. Growth has been pretty slow and I could never understand why. Funny thing is, is that I’ve read and read and read, and here I am making amateur mistakes. I’ll give it a good Epsom salt spraying,

    Also how do you propose I position the light? I guess I’m trying picture it in my head and I can’t.

    How often do you give Epsom salt to your plants?
     
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