Puppy Training Politicians

Winter Woman

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We need to make them aware that we watch and we vote and we have a voice. If you don't want to read the whole thing then look at the end there are 4 things listed to do.

Great website and great article. Michigan Capital Confidential is a publication out of the Mackinaw Center for Public Policy. Sign up to subscribe it is free and has information on tons of things happening in the background in our state. The weekly vote roll call is a really eye opener.

The article is a primmer on how to communicate with your politician in a way that will make them take notice.

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/14239

Politician Puppy Training

What the tea parties can learn from the dogs

By Ken Braun | Dec. 24, 2010

(Editor's note: A full list of legislative votes covered by MichCapCon.com may be located at www.MichCapCon.com/12541).

Almost everyone loves puppies, at least until they start making messes on the carpet. With every puppy comes the responsibility of training it to become “man's best friend.” The same can be said about legislators. While they are, of course, not dogs, they do need to be trained in order to be turned in to a voter's best friend. While most go to Lansing or Washington to do the right thing, many will end up making messes that result in less liberty.

Training legislators, as with training puppies, must be done with care and common sense. An external system of rewards and punishments is used to guide the puppy toward doing the right thing.

There’s a lesson in this for tea party groups who seek to communicate their concerns to politicians. You don’t need to explain the principles or speak their language to get your point across. Indeed, this is often the last thing that will work.

While trying to speak their language can take many forms, the most common one is the misconception that activist citizens outside the legislative process can – in real-time – easily influence lawmakers during the heat of a legislative battle. You may have been subjected to this fallacy if you have ever received an email “alert” or other communication telling you to go call your lawmaker “immediately” so that you can make a difference regarding a vote that is taking place “right now.”

It rarely works that way.

In most cases, you got the word too late. Your lawmaker may have already made up his or her mind. Or he or she is talking to another lawmaker, or a lobbyist, who knows the issue better than you do. Or it’s one of those votes taking place late in the evening, long after the staff you think you are calling has already gone home. Or the vote you were told to call about is a version of the bill that no longer exists because new language or new amendments were added or deleted. (And when that happens, you may get another urgent “alert” telling you to call AGAIN about the NEW bill. Rinse, repeat). Or it’s a combination of all of these, and much else.

The brutal fact of representative government is that citizens not on the floor of the legislature are suffering a massive information deficit that is usually fatal regarding their ability to change the mind of a politician during a legislative battle. Your lawmaker has the “experts,” staff, lobbyists and other lawmakers feeding him or her information that you do not and cannot know. When the situation changes – as it often does rapidly and without warning on complicated and/or controversial legislation – he or she knows this right away, but you may not know it for hours (or days). Indeed, lobbyists who are paid large salaries to know these things are not always up to speed when it counts the most because they are not in the legislative chamber either.

A tea party group trying to chase these moving targets that they often cannot even see is setting itself up for both failure and frustration. Rarely is it effective.

Like the trained puppy, your lawmakers will follow the training that has been driven into them beforehand. Trying to teach these at the last minute is ineffective.

Representative democracy, like puppy training, means you teach the big idea well in advance and then trust the politician or the puppy to do the right thing with the specific details when the big moment arrives.

Counter-intuitively, this means that you can often make the biggest difference well after the vote is over. Afterward, you can find out what your lawmaker knew at the time, and judge whether they made the right decision or not. If they barked smartly and did their business outside where it belongs, a tea party group can send a big important message by effusively praising them for it. But if they chewed your slippers, they should face swift consequences.

With this past experience in mind, a politician will learn what is expected of them the NEXT time an important vote comes up. Whether the issue is taxes, spending, regulations or what not, a message has been sent to the politician regarding the type of conduct is acceptable – and what is not. Either way, they learn that praise or punishment from a tea party is a real consequence of their future actions.

Astute readers of Michigan Capitol Confidential will notice that this understanding of the process informs much of our work when we report to you about legislation. We don’t attempt to give you a blow-by-blow, up to the minute, accounting of what is happening. We do indeed hear a lot of rumors, and a lot of informed speculation, as bills are moving through the process. We certainly could pass all this along to you … and then spend a lot of time backtracking, and changing the story as circumstances warrant. Every word we wrote would only be as good as the next committee hearing or amendment. The result would be frustration for both us and our audience, and not a whole lot of useful advice about bringing about changes.

Instead, we wait until the dust is clear and it is obvious what has been done and how the votes have come down. Then we tell you, and leave it to you to decide what to do about it. We try and give you the information that the politician had at the time of the vote, so you can make a fair decision about whether that vote reflected the metaphorical distinction between your puppy going on the rug or barking at the door.
And that’s when it is most effective for you to decide whether to scratch behind their ears or smack them on the nose. Either way, they’ll remember the next time.

A few final points to keep in mind so as to maximize your group’s effectiveness when communicating in this way:

1. Because this is a training method, there is no such thing as an “old” lesson. The politician will learn what your expectations are, even if the vote you are contacting them about is two years old. Don’t hesitate to praise or punish, as soon as you discover what has happened.
Michigan Capitol Confidential keeps an archive of every story regarding every vote we have ever reported on. You can browse through it here: www.MichCapCon.com/12541.

2. As with training the puppy, past performance is no guarantee of future results. You should never assume that any puppy is beyond redemption, but also never assume that a puppy who is good once will always keep on barking when he or she is supposed to. You expect politicians to change their future behavior based upon your reaction to their past conduct, so reserve the right to change your opinion regarding them as new information is gathered.
It is also perfectly acceptable to look at one who wanders off the straight and narrow and ask: “What have you done for me lately?”

3. In some cases, there are issues so big and consequential that a well-informed tea party group can tell a politician well in advance what is generally expected of them. One example in the current political environment would be public employee pay and benefits. Gov.-Elect Snyder has said this will be a major issue that he plans to tackle. The controversy will be immense and the potential savingsis massive. For any person or group with an opinion on this matter, there is no need to wait for a vote before training the legislative puppies how to bark.

4. Finally, it is important to remember that while you may regret having to rub a puppy’s nose in a mess, you will swiftly learn that the same is not true of politicians. Publicly calling to account those who stray from what you want is not just effective… It can also fun and addicting. Your group will have a good time if it gets a taste for policing what it believes is the bad conduct being done by Michigan legislators. And the membership of your group is also likely to swell as others learn of your exploits and want to join in.

Thus is why it is extra critical to remember not to have too much fun. One tea party leader suggests finding one politician to praise for each vote you criticize. (Conveniently, this can often be done with the same vote, because some legislators will vote in ways that you approve of). As with the puppy, you should deliberately seek out opportunities to praise politicians who bark when they are supposed to and don’t make a mess.
 

hic

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The puppies must learn faster or we should switch breeds. This will be their last shot all across the world. The next round of politicians will greatley impact our futures more-so then obama and bush. I fear as though the people are gaining fearfull we all know what happens when people get scared... they light fires to see in the night, in city streets. - kinda off the marijuana topic but my 2 cents.
 

Winter Woman

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I agree. Maybe it's time to switch breeds.

US Rep. Mike Rogers is anti mmj will vote no on HB 1938 (the bill that will make mmj a lower schedule drug). He needs to go.
 

hic

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Perhaps with the power we can now posses as a group "mmj" we can become like the NRA around here and get his sorry ass out.
 

a dog named chico

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Perhaps with the power we can now posses as a group "mmj" we can become like the NRA around here and get his sorry ass out.
Let do it Egypt style....j/k I love these post WW, and i thank you. You both are right though we need a MMJ party....it would be the real GREEN party
 

hic

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Let do it Egypt style....j/k I love these post WW, and i thank you. You both are right though we need a MMJ party....it would be the real GREEN party

I think we have been given a grand opportunity here in this time and place were at the brink we the people are and were given the ability to grow the #1 cash crop in a world were money is power. I know we can get it done if we all could just get along. But offcourse all "getting along" is not what humans are really known for anymore.

I feel we need something pretty soon. For in the future we will be gone and who knows what kinda of mess can happen if things are not stayed "on top of". Oh we Americans do.

We did learn some things. Like our automobiles... maintanance is cheaper then reapair same goes with government. So I say before Michigans politics ruin or have the ability to weaken or dismay or alter the tools we have given, does not get shifted to them. If it does it will be too hard for the next generation to ever get it back.

Back to the point we do need some sort of board to watch our marijuana rights. We need a board to make damn sure we have a VOICE. If we are going to help anyone including ourselves. I want a board of people repping me and not politicians by the way. I want a board of rich, poor, black, white, short, tall, ugly and beautifull so that I know they can see me too.
 

hic

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One more reason to have some sort of board - When someone that holds a piece of key to millions of dollars the goverments seem to listen more-so to that then voter opinion polls.

If a man or woman that looks in the eyes of the governor that has voice 200,000 people and holds a piece of a key that can open a chest full of millions of dollars that governor will listen to what he or she has to say.

The objective is to accumulate a body that has the ability and courage to tell the governer and his men NO. And when the body says NO the governor moves on to another topic.

Now what would happen if the tea party reconized the voice of the people and began accepting funds from Marijuana Orginizations. I tell you what would happen a stroger body would be created.

Before we help change the world we must get on the ball... we must unify in Michigan if we are to become a force that has the ability to assist.
 
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