Progress report...not impressed.

Seawood

Seawood

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Have 3 strains of autos going (5 plants total) Cracked these May 10th and guessing they’re pretty much done growing at this point. Started them inside under a crappy light and went outside after 2 weeks. I was expecting much bigger plants than these...were my expectations too high or is this on par with typical autos? Have 5 plants ranging from 12”-16” and can’t see getting more than a couple zips combined. Got some good photos going so not too concerned but I expected more from these plants....
 

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Seawood said:
Have 3 strains of autos going (5 plants total) Cracked these May 10th and guessing they’re pretty much done growing at this point. Started them inside under a crappy light and went outside after 2 weeks. I was expecting much bigger plants than these...were my expectations too high or is this on par with typical autos? Have 5 plants ranging from 12”-16” and can’t see getting more than a couple zips combined. Got some good photos going so not too concerned but I expected more from these plants....
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We for starters autos can be very different from 1 strain to the next as well as with 1 breeder to the next. What strains are you running? you haven't said what you are using for a grow medium and what you weather has been like. Also have you need giving them any nutrients?
 
It's tough to say without knowing the strain/breeder. You really have to be choosy with auto's. Dinafem and Mephisto wont disappoint. I've never grown out doors, but even at that size I would guess well over a zip a plant. I also don't think they are done stretching yet.

They do look a little small for a 45 day plus veg. How much "crappy" light did you give them inside ? Did you transplant ? In my experience if you transplant after day 12 it can stunt them. It's like a race to the bottom of the pot with the tap root.

BTW, other then being a bit vertically challenged, your girls look really nice.
 
Zogs said:
It's tough to say without knowing the strain/breeder. You really have to be choosy with auto's. Dinafem and Mephisto wont disappoint. I've never grown out doors, but even at that size I would guess well over a zip a plant. I also don't think they are done stretching yet.

They do look a little small for a 45 day plus veg. How much "crappy" light did you give them inside ? Did you transplant ? In my experience if you transplant after day 12 it can stunt them. It's like a race to the bottom of the pot with the tap root.

BTW, other then being a bit vertically challenged, your girls look really nice.
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Pot size has a lot to do with it too... And its still to early to say that your plants are done growing...
 
wil2279 said:
Thank you Frank... I didn't even think of that. This is a huge factor with autos... You clearly see time after time that pot size plays a huge roll in auto size and yield. This is need to know info.
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Pot size,type of strain has a lot to do with it also... Indicas tend to be short and bushy,sativas grow tall...
 
Soil is Promix BX, fed 1/4 strength MG nutes. Bought a shitty grow light that didn’t work the best but weather has been great since putting them outside. I have 1 x Vision Blueberry Bliss, 1 x RQS Northern Lights and 3 x Seedsman Sour D.

They were transplanted from solo cups at approx week 4. Didn’t phase them. 4 gallon pots for the 3 bigger ones, 2 gallon pots for the two smaller plants. Outdoor growing is pretty much my only option...not interested in setting up anything indoors at this point.

Thanks for the replies/info.
 
Frank Nitty said:
Pot size,type of strain has a lot to do with it also... Indicas tend to be short and bushy,sativas grow tall...
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Seawood said:
Soil is Promix BX, fed 1/4 strength MG nutes. Bought a shitty grow light that didn’t work the best but weather has been great since putting them outside. I have 1 x Vision Blueberry Bliss, 1 x RQS Northern Lights and 3 x Seedsman Sour D.

They were transplanted from solo cups at approx week 4. Didn’t phase them. 4 gallon pots for the 3 bigger ones, 2 gallon pots for the two smaller plants. Outdoor growing is pretty much my only option...not interested in setting up anything indoors at this point.

Thanks for the replies/info.
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Well most people that transplant autos do so much before the 4 week period because it typically stunts their growth. You want to transplant before the tap root reaches the bottom of whatever you start in. Most people start in their finish size pot... Those that transplant usually do around week 2 from my research.
Your genetics don't sound bad other than I haven't heard much about Vision seeds...
Feeding nutrients in most cases doesn't happen before week 2 and often not until week 4 because autos don't need nutes like photos.
From what I see your plants look healthy. They may or may not get bigger and as you fine tune your auto growing habits, you will probably see better results.
Also I'd probably do 5-7 or maybe even 10 gallon pots outside
 
So why are autos more sensitive to transplanting? I understand the fixed timeline and any shock or setbacks can affect growth and yield. What I don’t understand is why an auto would be more inherently sensitive to transplanting. What’s the science here? I transplant photos multiple times and they don’t skip a beat....in fact, they typically respond very positively. The autos I did this year were not affected either and kept on rolling.
 
I believe the issue with transplanting autos is timing and handling. IF they are stressed it can be detrimental to overall growth and yield due to the plant wasting time and energy on recovering instead of growing. However, if transplanted without excessive stress there may be no noticeable effects. Also, genetics is a heavily weighted factor. Mephisto has growing recommendations that include an early transplant from solo cups. Apparently they selectively breed their autos to be more resistant to the transplant.

At least that is how i understand the subject. Hope this isn't bad info. Its what I've been going off of.
 
Just to reaffirm what Wil229 and Frank said, its definitely a late transplant combined with small pots. I picked up a little tid bit of transplant info along the way, I can't quote it as the source site is down, but I'll regurgitate the best I can from memory. They did some experimenting with transplanting at different times from solo cups. They claimed that transplanting auto's from day 8-12 show no stunting. Day 13-16 was minimal stunting. Anything after that was quite noticeable.

I've been doing my own experimenting with planting strait into the final pot and starting in a solo cup. I think the transplant method slightly edges out the final pot method. But so far I'm pretty hard pressed to see a big difference.
 
Ok thanks. So pot size...I’ve read 3-5 gallons except larger for some of the XXL Auto strains. Based on the gallon per month of veg rule, 3-4 gal pots should be adequate, no? Anything larger would seem like a waste of soil.
 
Seawood said:
So why are autos more sensitive to transplanting? I understand the fixed timeline and any shock or setbacks can affect growth and yield. What I don’t understand is why an auto would be more inherently sensitive to transplanting. What’s the science here? I transplant photos multiple times and they don’t skip a beat....in fact, they typically respond very positively. The autos I did this year were not affected either and kept on rolling.
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My autos aren't affected much either...
 
Seawood said:
Ok thanks. So pot size...I’ve read 3-5 gallons except larger for some of the XXL Auto strains. Based on the gallon per month of veg rule, 3-4 gal pots should be adequate, no? Anything larger would seem like a waste of soil.
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Just depends on the size of your grow space...
 
I'd like to know what exactly people do to their plants during transplanting. This is one of those things where I feel the need to comment to say that out of the countless plants I have handled, or even seen handled by experienced people around me, very few showed signs of stunt that definitively pointed towards transplanting as the cause. I don't mean to be arrogant and I know my experiences are mostly anecdotal. What I'm saying is that I do not believe transplanting itself to be the root cause of stress/stunting post transplant.

What could simply being in another location or container scientifically mean regarding stunting? So we think along the lines of mistreatment during the transplanting process being the cause then, not being moved. This is what I don't understand. In my eyes, the proper way to transplant is to remove the plant, root mass and surrounding media all in one piece using gravity and your palm, then place it into the new soil pit prepared for it in the next pot, all in one motion. Where in any of this should your plant be so stressed at either the root zone or foliage that it should stunt afterward? You shouldn't ever really need to do more than one transplanting for a single plant, and when you do, the root mass should not be bound and knotted up by the time you do it, as to prevent stressing the plant. My .02.
 
UncleReemis said:
I'd like to know what exactly people do to their plants during transplanting. This is one of those things where I feel the need to comment to say that out of the countless plants I have handled, or even seen handled by experienced people around me, very few showed signs of stunt that definitively pointed towards transplanting as the cause. I don't mean to be arrogant and I know my experiences are mostly anecdotal. What I'm saying is that I do not believe transplanting itself to be the root cause of stress/stunting post transplant.

What could simply being in another location or container scientifically mean regarding stunting? So we think along the lines of mistreatment during the transplanting process being the cause then, not being moved. This is what I don't understand. In my eyes, the proper way to transplant is to remove the plant, root mass and surrounding media all in one piece using gravity and your palm, then place it into the new soil pit prepared for it in the next pot, all in one motion. Where in any of this should your plant be so stressed at either the root zone or foliage that it should stunt afterward? You shouldn't ever really need to do more than one transplanting for a single plant, and when you do, the root mass should not be bound and knotted up by the time you do it, as to prevent stressing the plant. My .02.
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Brilliantly spoken!!!
 
UncleReemis said:
I'd like to know what exactly people do to their plants during transplanting. This is one of those things where I feel the need to comment to say that out of the countless plants I have handled, or even seen handled by experienced people around me, very few showed signs of stunt that definitively pointed towards transplanting as the cause. I don't mean to be arrogant and I know my experiences are mostly anecdotal. What I'm saying is that I do not believe transplanting itself to be the root cause of stress/stunting post transplant.

What could simply being in another location or container scientifically mean regarding stunting? So we think along the lines of mistreatment during the transplanting process being the cause then, not being moved. This is what I don't understand. In my eyes, the proper way to transplant is to remove the plant, root mass and surrounding media all in one piece using gravity and your palm, then place it into the new soil pit prepared for it in the next pot, all in one motion. Where in any of this should your plant be so stressed at either the root zone or foliage that it should stunt afterward? You shouldn't ever really need to do more than one transplanting for a single plant, and when you do, the root mass should not be bound and knotted up by the time you do it, as to prevent stressing the plant. My .02.
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I am just regurgitating info again, but I believe it's all about not slowing down that tap root with auto's.
 
Zogs said:
I am just regurgitating info again, but I believe it's all about not slowing down that tap root with auto's.
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Yeah, I haven't done a study on it myself... I have heard over and over that once the tap root hits bottom, you run the risk of being stunted. Not to mention! Think it is too soon to judge how his grow went... Wait till it's all said and done to pass judgement.
 
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