Potency differences between phenotypes

johnnynice

johnnynice

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Hi all,
So I am moving back to Canada soon, which means I can start growing again (on a larger and legal scale at that). To make the weed I grow marketable, it needs to have a high testable THC percentage (on top of looking and smelling amazing). I will be growing from seed, but my experience of growing many seeds of the same strain is limited.
How much does THC content typically vary between phenotypes of the same strain?
So for instance, if I am growing some headband or skywalker kush, how many seeds would I need to grow in order to find one with a THC percentage over 20%?
Any other advice on getting THC percentage up there would be appreciated. I know I need to add UV lights, any other suggestions? Thanks in advance.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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You might consider using clones which are known to have a high thc content already if producing high thc weed is the goal.

Or use fem seed from proven stock to up your odds.

Ed Rosenthal has published info. on optimizing thc by flowering under the sun in early summer versus fall. Has to do with the quality of the light spectrum etc.
 
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LinguaPeel

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No, you don't need numerics. Quit acting powerless. Name one producer website out there who teaches customers anything. You might see someone defending outdoor production, or bragging about organic pesticides, but you won't find one that says thc potency is bullshit. Why don't you be that person. The lack of information attached to sales is intentional. Every listing on Leafly/weedmaps has a descriptor box. Put the info in it. They're gonna copy a breeder pack description or Leafly description if you dont give them the extended info. Quit playing victim and find a shop worth working with, who will SELL your pot.

Did you drop off information pamphlets with your herb? Did you drop off labels? Stickers? Do you package your own product? Do you have an Instagram? There's a lot you can do to actually sway the idiotic customer base in your favor. People LOOOVE being the dumbass with rumors that actually pan out in the end. "Did you know higher thc isn't always more potent?" that's all it takes. Most smokers aren't even getting high off Thc. I've put that to the test with cbd strains. The average person doesnt even notice a difference unless they look in the mirror and notice they aren't chink eyed.
 
Boatguy

Boatguy

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LinguaPeel said:
No, you don't need numerics. Quit acting powerless. Name one producer website out there who teaches customers anything. You might see someone defending outdoor production, or bragging about organic pesticides, but you won't find one that says thc potency is bullshit. Why don't you be that person. The lack of information attached to sales is intentional. Every listing on Leafly/weedmaps has a descriptor box. Put the info in it. They're gonna copy a breeder pack description or Leafly description if you dont give them the extended info. Quit playing victim and find a shop worth working with, who will SELL your pot.

Did you drop off information pamphlets with your herb? Did you drop off labels? Stickers? Do you package your own product? Do you have an Instagram? There's a lot you can do to actually sway the idiotic customer base in your favor. People LOOOVE being the dumbass with rumors that actually pan out in the end. "Did you know higher thc isn't always more potent?" that's all it takes. Most smokers aren't even getting high off Thc. I've put that to the test with cbd strains. The average person doesnt even notice a difference unless they look in the mirror and notice they aren't chink eyed.
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The 24% lemon og haze i picked up at the dispensary proves you wrong. I have smoked catatonic and it did not get me high.
 
johnnynice

johnnynice

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In Canada the amount of information on your packaging is extremely limited, thc% is one of the few things printed on it. Whether or not thc% is the sole indicator for how high weed gets you, I want my company to have a reputation for putting out the strongest weed, and tested numbers speak volumes. Also, yes I intend on utilizing other marketing strategies as well, I never said I was ONLY planning on using thc% to sell my weed.
Let's avoid having this thread derail into a shitty debate on the importance of thc%, let's just say I also want high thc% for personal reasons.
Also yes I can use clones, I might, but I would also like to grow strains I like from seeds in order to offer flavours that aren't currently available.
Now can anyone tell me the typical variance in potency between phenotypes?
 
Boatguy

Boatguy

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johnnynice said:
In Canada the amount of information on your packaging is extremely limited, thc% is one of the few things printed on it. Whether or not thc% is the sole indicator for how high weed gets you, I want my company to have a reputation for putting out the strongest weed, and tested numbers speak volumes. Also, yes I intend on utilizing other marketing strategies as well, I never said I was ONLY planning on using thc% to sell my weed.
Let's avoid having this thread derail into a shitty debate on the importance of thc%, let's just say I also want high thc% for personal reasons.

Now can anyone tell me the typical variance in potency between phenotypes?
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I would guess it is huge. If it wasnt, people wouldnt bother keeping a mother, and you wouldnt see clone only strains.
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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johnnynice said:
In Canada the amount of information on your packaging is extremely limited, thc% is one of the few things printed on it. Whether or not thc% is the sole indicator for how high weed gets you, I want my company to have a reputation for putting out the strongest weed, and tested numbers speak volumes. Also, yes I intend on utilizing other marketing strategies as well, I never said I was ONLY planning on using thc% to sell my weed.
Let's avoid having this thread derail into a shitty debate on the importance of thc%, let's just say I also want high thc% for personal reasons.
Also yes I can use clones, I might, but I would also like to grow strains I like from seeds in order to offer flavours that aren't currently available.
Now can anyone tell me the typical variance in potency between phenotypes?
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It can swing pretty wide with hybrids, hard to say though as most people usually pick robust phenos with bag appeal,quality high,smell and taste over the phenos with just high thc-a ratios.
 
YouGrowYourWay

YouGrowYourWay

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I'm sure it can vary greatly phenohunting never knowing what traits they may take after parents grandparents but how would you know the higher thc content ones from the none without flowering and harvesting said "keeper"
 
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Khyber420

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johnnynice said:
Hi all,
So I am moving back to Canada soon, which means I can start growing again (on a larger and legal scale at that). To make the weed I grow marketable, it needs to have a high testable THC percentage (on top of looking and smelling amazing). I will be growing from seed, but my experience of growing many seeds of the same strain is limited.
How much does THC content typically vary between phenotypes of the same strain?
So for instance, if I am growing some headband or skywalker kush, how many seeds would I need to grow in order to find one with a THC percentage over 20%?
Any other advice on getting THC percentage up there would be appreciated. I know I need to add UV lights, any other suggestions? Thanks in advance.
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Have you applied for a license? My understanding is starting material must be purchased from a licensed producer. Black market strains can't be grown, ie it's not so simple as just sprouting a ton of internet seeds and yea health Canada inspectors check on this. It's a highly regulated market, even natural pesticides have to be on health Canadas approved list.
 
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LinguaPeel

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Boatguy said:
The 24% lemon og haze i picked up at the dispensary proves you wrong. I have smoked catatonic and it did not get me high.
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Yeah because you knew it was 24%. And you knew it was cannatonic. You know they can test for the placebo gene these days. Willing to take that test? Anyone who rates 99% thc isolate higher than an African landrace of 7% has unofficially failed the placebo test.

I get higher off lemon og too.. Because of the flavor components. But I get even higher off old school shit with 5% thc. Everyone knows this. I think the kids are SCARED of landrace pot. Cuz it disproves the thc = potency propaganda with a single joint.
 
Hashishh

Hashishh

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Khyber420 said:
Have you applied for a license? My understanding is starting material must be purchased from a licensed producer. Black market strains can't be grown, ie it's not so simple as just sprouting a ton of internet seeds and yea health Canada inspectors check on this. It's a highly regulated market, even natural pesticides have to be on health Canadas approved list.
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What I was going to ask. Is this BM or legal? You can't just grab some clones from a buddy and have at er'. Our regulations up here are tight...
 
BigHornBuds

BigHornBuds

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Unless you have a few million, I would look at other investments.
License is 85-100k but you need an approved space that meets specs (1m plus)
You’ll need equipment, workers n a float .

Then you need to be able to make it to harvest, then not fuck up drying it.

You just can’t get a license n fill your basement n setup shop.
I would talk to a Canadian consultant before you get a reality check.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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johnnynice said:
In Canada the amount of information on your packaging is extremely limited, thc% is one of the few things printed on it. Whether or not thc% is the sole indicator for how high weed gets you, I want my company to have a reputation for putting out the strongest weed, and tested numbers speak volumes. Also, yes I intend on utilizing other marketing strategies as well, I never said I was ONLY planning on using thc% to sell my weed.
Let's avoid having this thread derail into a shitty debate on the importance of thc%, let's just say I also want high thc% for personal reasons.
Also yes I can use clones, I might, but I would also like to grow strains I like from seeds in order to offer flavours that aren't currently available.
Now can anyone tell me the typical variance in potency between phenotypes?
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Your question isn't a bad one, but it sounds like you are seeking a standard reply, when the answer is often, "it all depends".

While the physical presence of thc and terpenes are measurable in a bud from a given plant, sometimes "potency" is subjective depending on the person ingesting it.

Also, a given pheno type won't always express identical results. How was it grown? When was it harvested, etc. ? Also, buds from the same plant aren't always going to measure the same, think top bud versus mid or lower level buds etc.
 
darkzero2

darkzero2

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Make it easy on yourself start with clones or seeds make mother plants take clones and flower them out. Then smoke each pheno and make sure you take good notes on the outcomes from each pheno (smell, taste, structure, etc). Then from there make your selection of which is the best for your pallete or whatever traits you want to pass on and make seed.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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BigHornBuds said:
Unless you have a few million, I would look at other investments.
License is 85-100k but you need an approved space that meets specs (1m plus)
You’ll need equipment, workers n a float .

Then you need to be able to make it to harvest, then not fuck up drying it.

You just can’t get a license n fill your basement n setup shop.
I would talk to a Canadian consultant before you get a reality check.
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This is the best advice in this thread.

Reality is that if you're not already setup then by the time you are the demand is just not going to be there where cannabis has been legalized. Take Oregon for example. It's only been a few years of legalization and already the market is flooded and prices have plummeted. Many people have lost money.

The legal market is tracked from seed to sale in Oregon. Not sure about Canada but it's probably similar. You can't just buy some seeds online, grow some plants, and then go out trying to get a dispensary to buy your weed. Too many people think they grow great weed and maybe they do but so do thousands of other people.


https://expo.oregonlive.com/news/g66l-2019/02/d05137b73d8055/marijuana-supply-far-outweighs-demand-in-oregons-legal-market-new-study-says.html

"Oregon’s regulated cannabis industry is so overstocked with product that it could meet consumer demand for the next six and a half years

Licensed producers harvested more than 2,000 metric tons -- about 4.4 million pounds -- of unprocessed marijuana last year. If the state approves all pending producer licenses, Oregon would be on track to turn out an estimated 4,000 metric tons of cannabis."
 
promedz

promedz

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LinguaPeel said:
Yeah because you knew it was 24%. And you knew it was cannatonic. You know they can test for the placebo gene these days. Willing to take that test? Anyone who rates 99% thc isolate higher than an African landrace of 7% has unofficially failed the placebo test.

I get higher off lemon og too.. Because of the flavor components. But I get even higher off old school shit with 5% thc. Everyone knows this. I think the kids are SCARED of landrace pot. Cuz it disproves the thc = potency propaganda with a single joint.
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I would love to be the Tester for you as I don’t think I’ve smoked land race strain In 2 decades ??? But I have smoked so many diff strains... some places lie about percentage and that might be what you mean? but I can tell if it’s high thc within the first two pulls .. anything under 19 don’t do it for me anymore yea when I was a kid and smoked landrace it got me so High but my tolerance was super low now that I smoke so much it won’t do anything! Something around 28+ hits you on the first two pulls.. I can smoke one blunt with my wife and be good.. anything under 22 and we are smoking 2 every time! Why?
 
promedz

promedz

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Get clones... I had a skywalker pheno when I first started to grow and I didn’t clone her::. For the next 4 years I tried 16 diff times to find her again and I still havnt seen her again... I will still pop a few skywalker this year to see if she comes up. It was so good took top 3 of my all time favorite spots... 3 hrs stoned!
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Khyber420 said:
Have you applied for a license? My understanding is starting material must be purchased from a licensed producer. Black market strains can't be grown, ie it's not so simple as just sprouting a ton of internet seeds and yea health Canada inspectors check on this. It's a highly regulated market, even natural pesticides have to be on health Canadas approved list.
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Yep.
Even nutes have to be federally approved and so far, as of last week, only GH nutes have been approved.

There is a push on now to license small craft growers, but even that will require close to a million for start up.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Cannabis Cup winners rarely have a high THC content. Wining cups will make your product wanted.

Talk to a business consultant and also your bank manager. You will need access to allot of funds to be able to compete.
With your business plan look at realistic wholesale prices that are happening in flooded American markets. You will need to be profitable at these lower figures as that is more than likely the way prices will head.

Phenotypes vary, sometimes by a fair amount. Much better off buying clones from placers like Wonderland nursery.
 
bertaluchi

bertaluchi

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johnnynice said:
In Canada the amount of information on your packaging is extremely limited, thc% is one of the few things printed on it. Whether or not thc% is the sole indicator for how high weed gets you, I want my company to have a reputation for putting out the strongest weed, and tested numbers speak volumes. Also, yes I intend on utilizing other marketing strategies as well, I never said I was ONLY planning on using thc% to sell my weed.
Let's avoid having this thread derail into a shitty debate on the importance of thc%, let's just say I also want high thc% for personal reasons.
Also yes I can use clones, I might, but I would also like to grow strains I like from seeds in order to offer flavours that aren't currently available.
Now can anyone tell me the typical variance in potency between phenotypes?
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I work in a major medical production facility and I can tell you that finding 20%thc is not hard if you are sourcing your seeds from a reputable producer. Almost all 10 packs will have a solid 20% mother. The issue is finding one with great taste, smell, and bag appeal that also has high thc. I would suggest growing 25-35 seeds of each strain to find a real winner. Good luck dude!
 
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