Plants turn Purple/Gnarly/WTF? Its NOT COLD. OR BURN. Totally ruins plants

Its not my problem. Its my buddies, and this photo I posted is from another forum member, on another forum, who is having the same problem.

. Weve both been growing for over 40 years. I grew my 1st in 1972.

This aint my 1st rodeo.

SEE Phytoplasma Infection. This is very high on the list.

Ever deal with that???


Phytoplasmas are obligate bacterial parasites of plant phloem tissue and of the insect vectors that are involved in their plant-to-plant transmission. Phytoplasmas were discovered in 1967 by Japanese scientists who termed them mycoplasma-like organisms (MLOs).[2] Since their discovery, phytoplasmas have resisted all attempts at in vitro culture in any cell-free medium; routine cultivation in an artificial medium thus remains a major challenge. Although phytoplasmas have recently been reported to be grown in a specific artificial medium, experimental repetition has yet to be reported.[3] Phytoplasmas are characterized by the lack of a cell wall, a pleiomorphic or filamentous shape, a diameter normally less than 1 μm, and a very small genome.

Phytoplasmas are pathogens of agriculturally important plants, including coconut, sugarcane, and sandalwood, in which they cause a wide variety of symptoms ranging from mild yellowing to death. Phytoplasmas are most prevalent in tropical and subtropical regions. They are transmitted from plant to plant by vectors (normally sap-sucking insects such as leafhoppers) in which they both survive and replicate.

jimihendrix1 said:

Hey Rik!!!

Thanks for your input.

I have seen responses about the phytoplasma infection, and for sure would not rule it out, and put it very high on the list. Yep.
I totally agree this is what it may be.

The leaves are only in the 1st stage of fuckup. They will get worse.

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If the leaves start getting weird lateral curls, funky bumps and deformities along the leaf edges than it's pretty likely the same as what I've dealt with. It'll make some of the flowers wither and turn black during flower

+2.

Leaves will eventually get distorted, and they will also make the flowers wither, and turn black.

Yep.

I hedged my only other bet by taking a chance they may be suffering a P deficiency ect, and today just gave them a complete feeding with the same stuff I used when they first went into the containers.

Granular.

19-19-19
0-0-60
Azomite
1 tblsp Epsom Salts per 7-12 gallon containers. Slightly more fert on the larger containers.

The way its mixed will give a 19-19-39 ratio. The Azomite has 70 Trace Minerals, and Cal/Mag. Is also available instantly, which is pretty dang good for volcanic rock dust.
He used Kelp 1st time. This time I used Azomite. Though 1 could use both. Kelp has a growth hormone Azomite doesn't have.

Should be plenty to correct any deficiency, if that's the problem.

I know this can eventually kill them, so my buddy was all for some experimenting.

He also fed them

15.5-0-0
4-20-39
2 days ago, but only at 25% dose to give them a quick feed. It will be used up by tomorrow. The healthy plants did get a response overnight by greening up on the tips. So that's a positive sign these need food.
I believe P deficiency, can also lead to Mag/Calcium lockout. So they got a dose today, and 2-3 days ago of everything in the right ratios anyway. Time will tell if theres a positive response.

Also that pic is from a member on another forum who is having the same problem.

I relayed your analysis of the Phytoplasma to him.

Im almost positive its either what you diagnosed, or a nutrient deficiency/lockout ect.

The feed schedule was hard for him to keep regular, because weve had so much rain, and you cant feed if theyre already soaked, so I know they are/were needing more food.

And considering they really need food at flowering initiation, it could be something linked to a deficiency, or it could be some lockout, because of all the rain, and could cause PH fluctuations ect. BUt PH does measure 6.2. But it may just have stabilized again because weve had less rain the last 10 days.

It rained today to, but I put the granular in. Will also rain tomorrow, so the granular should get to the plants quickly.

I was really happy with the health of the plants with the granular, until they started messing up after 3 months.

They vegged great. HUGE. No Purple ect.

Here's some pics of what the leaf deformities look like

Ours, and the other guys photo I posted has purple in both the older leaves, and growing tips.

These plants are just purple, and will eventually turn black.

Your plant is fine. The outdoor night time temps are dipping into the 50's or 60's and causing this. Some plants are just more sensitive to this temp change than others. You have some bugs nibbling but nothing to be worried about. Relax bro she looks healthy to me. Some plants just throw off some funky looking leaf mutations from time to time. Remove some of the old tired fan leaves so light reaches more budding sites. I see plenty of healthy normal growth.

WRONG.

Its not gotten below 70 where Im at, and this KILLS the plant. This is just the 1st stage.

Ive stated a million times its not the cold, or any kind of burn. I don't know what it takes for anyone to read, and understand that.

Ive been growing over 45 years. This aint cold. Sorry.

I would just plant directly in the ground. Native soil mixed with a high quality amended soil. The roots will search out food and extend beyond the hole. I live where summers can be dry so I saturate the area around my hole as well. No nute def. ever and big healthy plants.

There are also plants grown in the ground, doing the same thing, when others 5 feet away, are perfectly fine.

My Native Soil Is TERRIBLE.

Im in North East Ky, and its all clay, and rocks. Best soil around here is the Ohio River.

Also this is a pretty new thing..

Ive been growing since 72, and only have seen this in the last 4 years. Never before.

How can you be doing this so long and be so stupid??

Your nutrient profile is horrible. I'm betting you have bad practice all around.

Your asking for help but dont want any... why dont you just do whatever the fuck you wanna do?

I dont have issues, growing is simple. Been doing this about 10 years every year flawlessly. Your doing this failing every year.

Name calling huh??

Obviously you cant read, and reading comprehension isn't your strong point huh??

This aint mine DUDE.. Stated it since the start.

Its my buddies, and the photo posted is from a guys plant on another forum

FUCK OFF PUNK.

Shows you have nothing to add.

A nutrient profile of 19-19-39 is perfect for weed. It possibly is under fertilized now, or a virus.

Beginning this fall I would add wood ash, leaves, chipped limbs and manure. Prepare your planting beds and cover with black plastic until spring.

jimihendrix1 said:

Name calling huh??

Obviously you cant read, and reading comprehension isn't your strong point huh??

This aint mine DUDE.. Stated it since the start.

Its my buddies, and the photo posted is from a guys plant on another forum

FUCK OFF PUNK.

Shows you have nothing to add.

A nutrient profile of 19-19-39 is perfect for weed. It possibly is under fertilized now, or a virus.

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Your so smart you need help.
Funny.

Why even hop on here asking questions for your friend if you know so much, just tell him what to do.

Fact is that nutrient profile is horrible and it's likely you've got a lot of problems going on. Too bad you wont listen to any of the help offered. Why ask for it?

Just go down to the local bar, get a few pitchers, an piss on the plants. You'll do as good as your apparantly doing anyways.

Jimihendrix1,

Just from growing stone fruit, tomatoes etc.
Initially it looks like Blossom End Rot?
But considering how lush, and healthy looking the rest of the plant is, im leaning towards infection myself.
Really can't definitively say, what kind of disease, i havn't experienced this issue before.
Doesn't look calcium deficient to me. Certainly not enough to cause Blossom End Rot.
Likely not phosphorus deficient to me either...none of the shade leaves or stems seem to be red or purple?

Hope your friend finds the cause.

Yes Sir, it does resemble blossom end rot. Yep.

Yes some of the other shade leaves are streaked slightly purple.

Deficiency or disease though?
Thats the question that beats me. I'm unable to make the call.

Best of luck mate.
If a cause is found. I'd like to know if you could tell me, please? Only incase i encounter this myself.
Hopefully your friend finds the cause.

I did a complete revamp of the nutes today.

Time will tell if the nutrients help, or not. I'll tell you if it works, or not.

If its the Phytoplasmas theyre done for.

If its nutrient deficiency, this will/should help.

growingforfun is correct.
granular ferts need to be in soil for months so they will break down enough for plants to absorb. You can't put them in water, give to a plant, and expect that to work.

Who says I put them in water??

I put it IN the soil, and they are available right now. It does not take months for granular to be available. WRONG.
Granular will burn them up right now if you give them to much.

Doesn't take months for what I used, and anyway they've been in the pots almost 3 months, never had a deficiency, again telling me the food was available NOW. Or they would have died months ago from starvation, and only started showing this recently.

Grow WeedEasy has come as close as any to describing this problem with pictures. They say it is a copper deficiency but more than likely it is not a deficiency but actually a nute lockout caused by the Ph being wrong.