plant problems... overwatering maybe? please help...

Alrighty guys, story time and picture time. 25 days ago I transferred plants from inside to outdoor and they took to the transfer nicely, I'll provide a picture of them after the transfer, about a week or two time after the transfer. Everything was going nicely. You can see the nice color and no signs of wilting or curling of the leaves.

I think I caused a problem by watering too much. This is my first time trying outside and I have good success indoors. the plants were very healthy going outside and after 3 weeks of watering similarly to the way I water inside, I noticed some drooping in the leaves. I had watered them just about every day with a good amount of water, I fed them their nutrient mix, which is never wrong and they wilted a little bit, and a day or two later some leaves started getting brown spots and drying out.

I did a little research and concluded that I had over watered them and they were starving for oxygen. So for the last 4 days I have not put any water on them and they still look just the same as 4 days ago. I have dug into the soil a little bit and it is still moist down there and I know I buried the root balls pretty far down.
I wonder when I am able to start watering again? I don't want to drown my plants especially the big one, she spent 3 months in veg before starting her summer veg growing and I don't wanna lose her!
take a look at the provided pictures and hopefully someone here will know just what is going on. I think that the area I have the plants has little to no drainage and the plants here will not use the water as fast as my indoor potted plants. Thanks in advance and if anyone has questions I will try and provide the best of answers.
-Naka

Nakastorm said:

Alrighty guys, story time and picture time. 25 days ago I transferred plants from inside to outdoor and they took to the transfer nicely, I'll provide a picture of them after the transfer, about a week or two time after the transfer. Everything was going nicely. You can see the nice color and no signs of wilting or curling of the leaves.
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I think I caused a problem by watering too much. This is my first time trying outside and I have good success indoors. the plants were very healthy going outside and after 3 weeks of watering similarly to the way I water inside, I noticed some drooping in the leaves. I had watered them just about every day with a good amount of water, I fed them their nutrient mix, which is never wrong and they wilted a little bit, and a day or two later some leaves started getting brown spots and drying out.
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I did a little research and concluded that I had over watered them and they were starving for oxygen. So for the last 4 days I have not put any water on them and they still look just the same as 4 days ago. I have dug into the soil a little bit and it is still moist down there and I know I buried the root balls pretty far down.
I wonder when I am able to start watering again? I don't want to drown my plants especially the big one, she spent 3 months in veg before starting her summer veg growing and I don't wanna lose her!
take a look at the provided pictures and hopefully someone here will know just what is going on. I think that the area I have the plants has little to no drainage and the plants here will not use the water as fast as my indoor potted plants. Thanks in advance and if anyone has questions I will try and provide the best of answers.
-Naka

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I don't think you overwatered. I mean, it is possible, but I water twice daily in 90+ degree temps with no issue. So thats going to vary based on your temps and humidity. It looks like you dug a whole and filled with potting soil. Does the native soil underneath drain well? If not it could be pooling and drowning the roots.

That was my assumption, at the bottom of the pit, water doesn' drain well. Dug a hole and filed it with soil. I monitor them well so as soon as I see signs of needing water in more areas I'm still holding off for now.

root aphids?

Is that a pit? Is there any air flow?

Up here, if you're gonna plant them in the ground, you plant them in the ground.
Specifically to avoid this issue....
Weed grows in the ground pretty well without the potting soil.

I don't suspect root aphids... there is good air flow it is a big hole and I have them staked because the wind is strong. The soil was really dense so that' why I added a little more potting soil during transplant.

The new growth that's still coming up doesn't look too bad, just some curling in the set before it. I'm still leaning towards the drainage issue at this moment. Carefully watering... gave a little water last night, not much.

Nakastorm said:

I don't suspect root aphids... there is good air flow it is a big hole and I have them staked because the wind is strong. The soil was really dense so that' why I added a little more potting soil during transplant.

The new growth that's still coming up doesn't look too bad, just some curling in the set before it. I'm still leaning towards the drainage issue at this moment. Carefully watering... gave a little water last night, not much.

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might just be transplant stress , what time of day did you transplant?

You’ve got what also could be signs of russet mites. The curling up of leaf edges, signs of what looks like nute dificiency.
Get yourself a 60X magnification and gig into those lease that have curled up edges.

Dmannn said:

might just be transplant stress , what time of day did you transplant?

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I waited until sundown,when it was cool. The problem arose 3 weeks after the move outside

petert said:

You’ve got what also could be signs of russet mites. The curling up of leaf edges, signs of what looks like nute dificiency.
Get yourself a 60X magnification and gig into those lease that have curled up edges.

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I looked up on goggle the Russet mites. There is one plant showing similar signs but it's only one, I have nukem spra that is a insecticide. I wonder if that works well.

Im an indoor guy but that ground looks awful, looks like it could suck a bend out of a river.

coreywebster said:

Im an indoor guy but that ground looks awful, looks like it could suck a bend out of a river.

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It is not the preferred ground in site but it's what's available for me. .. sux I know

Nakastorm said:

It is not the preferred ground in site but it's what's available for me. .. sux I know

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You should check out the no-till thread over in Organics

Ya know it kinda look like heat stress to me, the last 2 pics look like sunburn.

so I have held off water for nearly a week, they got very little during that time and it was on one night only. the ground is still a little moist deep down about six inches. I planted the root ball deep and I think things are beginning to bounce back. i'll attach some new pictures taken within the last day or so. in the new pictures there is no growth on all the plants that looks fine and normal. still i'm keeping a close eye on things.

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I looked up on goggle the Russet mites. There is one plant showing similar signs but it's only one, I have nukem spra that is a insecticide. I wonder if that works well.

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Nukem will help.. this early in the summer (and if you haven’t used an oil based spray yet) wettable Sulphur does the job at a fraction of the price.
I’m using Green Cleaner right now.. you can use Green Cleaner exclusively without mites building up an immunity to it..As far as I know there is no living creature that can build and immunity to suffocation and dehydration!!

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Im an indoor guy but that ground looks awful, looks like it could suck a bend out of a river.

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Exactly my concern with his pics as well. I can't put plants in the ground where my green houses are. The native soil literally turns into stone when it's dry. Leaves no oxygen for my roots and causes issue after issue. I even tried digging giant holes and back filling with good mix. The plants did a lot better but still suffered from poor drainage and that clay working its way into the good soil I back filled with. I also believe OP's issue is soil related.

Hey man, you don't need to do any research to know how much water and nutrients your dumping on those and it's a lot.

I just watched my five/six inch seedlings thrive in 100 degree, direct sun, over 8 hours, loved it and did it on the dry side.

You need to discipline yourself to stop hovering over your plants 50 times a day. Stop trying to grow them. Let them grow, they will. But not if you don't stop trying to kill them first. You can't really fix root rot, drowned roots. You can't fix nitrogen toxicity.

You can always add more water or nutrients. Slow down and let them be.

Nakastorm said:

Alrighty guys, story time and picture time. 25 days ago I transferred plants from inside to outdoor and they took to the transfer nicely, I'll provide a picture of them after the transfer, about a week or two time after the transfer. Everything was going nicely. You can see the nice color and no signs of wilting or curling of the leaves.
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I think I caused a problem by watering too much. This is my first time trying outside and I have good success indoors. the plants were very healthy going outside and after 3 weeks of watering similarly to the way I water inside, I noticed some drooping in the leaves. I had watered them just about every day with a good amount of water, I fed them their nutrient mix, which is never wrong and they wilted a little bit, and a day or two later some leaves started getting brown spots and drying out.
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I did a little research and concluded that I had over watered them and they were starving for oxygen. So for the last 4 days I have not put any water on them and they still look just the same as 4 days ago. I have dug into the soil a little bit and it is still moist down there and I know I buried the root balls pretty far down.
I wonder when I am able to start watering again? I don't want to drown my plants especially the big one, she spent 3 months in veg before starting her summer veg growing and I don't wanna lose her!
take a look at the provided pictures and hopefully someone here will know just what is going on. I think that the area I have the plants has little to no drainage and the plants here will not use the water as fast as my indoor potted plants. Thanks in advance and if anyone has questions I will try and provide the best of answers.
-Naka

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