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OldMedUser
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Pool shock is just a dry, concentrated form of Javex. Same shit, different pile.
I have yet to see a pot plant suffering from a chloride deficiency. Chlorine is also known to be a carcinogen so I avoid it as much as possible. When chlorine reacts with organic matter it creates chloramines which are particularly harmful and the stuff in swimming pools that makes your eyes all red and itchy. It's not the chlorine itself that does that.
Hydrogen peroxide works just as well as bleach to kill pathogens and remove crud in hydro systems. When it breaks down it becomes water and a single, radical oxygen molecule that first attaches to things like anaerobic bacteria and oxidizes them. No nasty chems are created when they do their work.
I avoid a lot of bad shit in my food and other things I consume and chlorine is one of those things I'd rather use alternatives for if they can do the job safer.
Feel free to use whatever you like tho. I ain't hating on it but prefer not to use it.
OldMedUser
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That crud in the tank doesn't look good for sure.
I've read about those water controllers for systems like yours and they use something called Blumats to control the water flow as the soil dries out. Totally passive system with no wiring or other gear and sure would be handy if I wasn't home all the time to tend to my plants but not something I'd want to use constantly.
I let my pots dry right out then soak them good for a wet/dry cycle and get no runoff but I use RO water only and try to just feed enough to keep the plants growing well.
Yours seem to be doing nicely now and on the way to a bountiful harvest.
OldMedUser
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Esrgood4u
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H202 is used if you already have root rot. Pool shock is to prevent it ever happening. I agree with what you say about it being carcinogenic but they put it in our water supplys anyway. A lot of ingredients used in chemical nutrients can also be carcinogenic. The tiny amounts used in my buckets end up being bubbled out of the solution hence the 1ml per gallon every 4 days or so that I use it.Pool shock is just a dry, concentrated form of Javex. Same shit, different pile.
I have yet to see a pot plant suffering from a chloride deficiency. Chlorine is also known to be a carcinogen so I avoid it as much as possible. When chlorine reacts with organic matter it creates chloramines which are particularly harmful and the stuff in swimming pools that makes your eyes all red and itchy. It's not the chlorine itself that does that.
Hydrogen peroxide works just as well as bleach to kill pathogens and remove crud in hydro systems. When it breaks down it becomes water and a single, radical oxygen molecule that first attaches to things like anaerobic bacteria and oxidizes them. No nasty chems are created when they do their work.
I avoid a lot of bad shit in my food and other things I consume and chlorine is one of those things I'd rather use alternatives for if they can do the job safer.
Feel free to use whatever you like tho. I ain't hating on it but prefer not to use it.
I wasn't having a go at you. I respect any advice you can give and I've noticed how knowledgeable you are. I'm far from a pro grower. Thanks for the input mate
GLN
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Hi guys yes I went to the shop today and bought some peroxide they offered me for cleaning the plants/soil/tanks and hoses out out, then spray some velocelp on my roots and plants they Said works wonders.
They do look abit better not changed nothing tho lol maybe upped the feed skittle coz they were getting really dry. Now I ditched that batch and gonna go from more than full strength chat feeds to 1/4 and make my PH bang on also. After this water has dried out and iv give them a good spray of velokelp, dioxide treatment.
Any advice on how to treat with the dioxide mls per litre through the plant and how long to leave before starting feed again.
Thanks GLN
They do look abit better not changed nothing tho lol maybe upped the feed skittle coz they were getting really dry. Now I ditched that batch and gonna go from more than full strength chat feeds to 1/4 and make my PH bang on also. After this water has dried out and iv give them a good spray of velokelp, dioxide treatment.
Any advice on how to treat with the dioxide mls per litre through the plant and how long to leave before starting feed again.
Thanks GLN
GLN
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So just finished giving the plants 2 litres of hydrogen peroxide each hand fed, followed by a full plant leaf and stem spray of velokelp gonna wait on them to dry out and then take the hole root and soil out the pot and spray the roots with velokelp.
I made shore the ph was 6.3 on all feeds my water reads 7.9 8.0 Ph so took that right down.
Will run my pump on 5 clicks giving 1litre of feed 1/4 the strength recommended then see how the soil and plant reacts, after few days I’ll up that to 6 clicks which will give them each 1600ml and see how that goes I know I need to make shore I get run off and test what Ph comes out then If say I put 6.3 in and 6.9 comes out I’ll counter that and put in 5.7 coming out will be 6.3 if that’s how it’s gonna work.
Cleaned my hole tent floor and run off pot collects out coz there were soil and crap in there.
Just 2 worries as of now is my stems hv gone really woody so find it hard to expand I’m guessing also there quite purple.
I made shore the ph was 6.3 on all feeds my water reads 7.9 8.0 Ph so took that right down.
Will run my pump on 5 clicks giving 1litre of feed 1/4 the strength recommended then see how the soil and plant reacts, after few days I’ll up that to 6 clicks which will give them each 1600ml and see how that goes I know I need to make shore I get run off and test what Ph comes out then If say I put 6.3 in and 6.9 comes out I’ll counter that and put in 5.7 coming out will be 6.3 if that’s how it’s gonna work.
Cleaned my hole tent floor and run off pot collects out coz there were soil and crap in there.
Just 2 worries as of now is my stems hv gone really woody so find it hard to expand I’m guessing also there quite purple.
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Esrgood4u
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That will work but dropping ph suddenly may cause a lock out. If was me I'd do it gradually over a space of a week or two and keep checking run off. The plants will let you know if it's too much of a drop. Honest maybe you should have done this grow in soil before attempting hydro. Soil is more forgiving. Just my 2c
GLN
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Hi buddy
Ye because of where it is i cannot feed by hand did not want to be in there every day or look dodgy, so reason for the dripper set up I don’t use hydro buddy, problem I’m gonna have is if I feed Enough so I get run off there won’t want another feed for 2 days but my feed set up is on a 24 hr timer and cannot make it feed every 2 days or 3 so I’m buggered
He ph changing slowely may be good choice.
Ye because of where it is i cannot feed by hand did not want to be in there every day or look dodgy, so reason for the dripper set up I don’t use hydro buddy, problem I’m gonna have is if I feed Enough so I get run off there won’t want another feed for 2 days but my feed set up is on a 24 hr timer and cannot make it feed every 2 days or 3 so I’m buggered
He ph changing slowely may be good choice.
Esrgood4u
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Yeah too much of a change too quickly will stop growth. Your plants look healthy. Obviously reduce the ph slowly and don't shock them. I'm sure they will recover fine. Maybe next time try a autopot system. It's self feeding. Initial outlay is expensive but they eventually pay for themselves.
GLN
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Ye I think I may go that route just hate the unknown lol.
Esrgood4u
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Obviously your grow is for profit. I'm UK so mine is personal. Autopot I'm gonna buy a 4 pot system after this grow and give it a go. Mix nutrients and walk away. Check weekly and amend to its needs. Seems a perfect solution for your grow needs. This grow just keep doing what your doing. They look fine to me. A bit ph or ppm swing is expected. If they are green and praying to the lights you did well
OldMedUser
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How did you mix that peroxide and what strength did you buy? I'm not at all sure you have root rot and I've only ever used peroxide in DWC. Never needed to use it in pots of promix.
They go woody but so do trees and they expand as they grow so don't worry about that. A lot of strains get purple stems as they go into flowering and it doesn't really mean much most times. They might grow a lot bigger in the next two weeks too.
GLN
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Hi OldMed
Strength was 1 mil to 2 litres of PH water each plant, after seeing them today all the new nice growth I don’t recon it is root rot either now, but growth had slowed a lot and and main thing was all that crap that was in my tank so good to know iv added something to help get rid of some bad crap if any.
Ye someone once told me they should be not woody and be able to squeeze and feel the juicynes of the stems but just one guy haha.
My cuttings are star dawg.
Strength was 1 mil to 2 litres of PH water each plant, after seeing them today all the new nice growth I don’t recon it is root rot either now, but growth had slowed a lot and and main thing was all that crap that was in my tank so good to know iv added something to help get rid of some bad crap if any.
Ye someone once told me they should be not woody and be able to squeeze and feel the juicynes of the stems but just one guy haha.
My cuttings are star dawg.
OldMedUser
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Doesn't sound like near enough to do anything. I was worried you might have used it full strength or something.
With DWC I used 0.5ml/L of 35% food grade peroxide so the same mix you have if it's the same strength but that was just for twice weekly use to prevent rot from starting. Would go up to 5ml/L daily if there were signs of rot.
The way your plants are growing I don't think you have rot but you'll need to pull a plant out of the pot to see and it will be stinky if it's rot. Not a nice earthy smell.
With DWC I used 0.5ml/L of 35% food grade peroxide so the same mix you have if it's the same strength but that was just for twice weekly use to prevent rot from starting. Would go up to 5ml/L daily if there were signs of rot.
The way your plants are growing I don't think you have rot but you'll need to pull a plant out of the pot to see and it will be stinky if it's rot. Not a nice earthy smell.
Roger A. Shrubber
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there are no stupid questions? have you never been to the political forum?If I didn't want to share my time I wouldn't bother offering to help so no need to be sorry. There are no stupid questions but sometimes stupid answers.
GLN
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I’ll pull one out soon as it drys out in 3 days or so ye they seem to be growing nice nice I must hv shocked them a lot by taking fan leafs off and bottom stems to transfer energy to the top of the main colas just read I should not do this oops, some info on line states it’s well beneficial mix views I guess.Doesn't sound like near enough to do anything. I was worried you might have used it full strength or something.
With DWC I used 0.5ml/L of 35% food grade peroxide so the same mix you have if it's the same strength but that was just for twice weekly use to prevent rot from starting. Would go up to 5ml/L daily if there were signs of rot.
The way your plants are growing I don't think you have rot but you'll need to pull a plant out of the pot to see and it will be stinky if it's rot. Not a nice earthy smell.
I think I had stress which stumped growth and also ph problems now I hv a pen and can sort this win win.
Ye I’ll check strengh and add more if it’s weeker but I’ll not add to my tank/feed I’ll hand feed it once or twice a week just to prevent gonna flush the pots 1 time a week also as I’m not gonna get run off every day using this tank and 24 hr timer coz it just won’t bet up in time and may lead to overwatering.
