pharmopiate advice requested

canndo

canndo

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A friend gave me an ABG 60 pill.

I think it is 60 mg extended release morphine



I love morphine but have never gotten ER.

my tolerance has been lovingly managed for many years - I'm good with 25 mg of hydro, 25 - 30 oxy is wonderful.


I havn't had morpine for a while, when I did, I think I ate 15mg pills to great wonderment.


so if I don't want to do IV (which is the most thrifty but I don't think it wise to do that again, and I am not sure about the er part).

I'm embarassed after chiding folks for snorting pills, but would it be best to snort a third of this thing?

Is it more biologicaly available in the nasal passages rather than eating it? Is the time release easily defeated by crushing or will it get sticky like the OPs?

I'm kind of excited, some help from those who know would be greatly appreciated. It's all I can do to keep from just putting it in my mouth and chewing it all but I don't want to be laid out on the floor, and then wake up with no pill left.


Duck? anyone?


Oh, one more thing - what is a quarter grain. I believe the ones I had long ago were quarter grain - I just presumed they were 15's.
 
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One grain is just under 65mg. They seem to throw out the stuff behind the decimal when doing fractions of a grain.
I'm not sure how the time release works on those, but I would guess its a wax based one. I would do it orally (just crush it, morphone and hydrocodone are of similar potency at lower doses) or rectally (almost as good as IV but doesn't allow for the binders and fillers and waxes to get in your bloodstream). Rectal morphine is about 2.5x stronger than oral. Crush it and put the appropriate amount of the powder in an oral syringe and shoot it up there. It's almost as fast as IV (you even get a little rush!) and hits nice and hard. An excellent alternative to injecting pills. It also has a better duration than shooting.
Snorting doesn't really up the bioavailability of morphine.
 
MrEDuck said:
One grain is just under 65mg. They seem to throw out the stuff behind the decimal when doing fractions of a grain.
I'm not sure how the time release works on those, but I would guess its a wax based one. I would do it orally (just crush it, morphone and hydrocodone are of similar potency at lower doses) or rectally (almost as good as IV but doesn't allow for the binders and fillers and waxes to get in your bloodstream). Rectal morphine is about 2.5x stronger than oral. Crush it and put the appropriate amount of the powder in an oral syringe and shoot it up there. It's almost as fast as IV (you even get a little rush!) and hits nice and hard. An excellent alternative to injecting pills. It also has a better duration than shooting.
Snorting doesn't really up the bioavailability of morphine.
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Thanks lots Duck sir.
 
No worries man. Enjoy them. If you get bad itchies try taking a Benedryl an hour before dosing.
 
Rectally is the only way to do peyote. No vomiting, extreme rush for onset. Still get that metallic taste. Be sure to remove all possible strychnine before eating or enema.
 
Orally, I've found 20 mg to be just right. I agree with the Duck on crushing the requisite amount (I'd do 1/3 of the tab) and suspending/dissolving in a suitable liquid. I've never tried the rectal dosing. cn
 
It's the only thing that can hold a candle to IV. Bioavailability is around 90% for most of the opioids. Not bad considering how crappy morphine and it's derivatives are orally and even nasally.
 
MrEDuck said:
No worries man. Enjoy them. If you get bad itchies try taking a Benedryl an hour before dosing.
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I like the scratch - I did 15 mg - I just realized that I don't know how much is filler and such so I don't think I really did 15, thats what the scale says.

placed in 10 ccs warm salt water, in a small syringe and up the chute. I figured I'd take a 10 hydro 1/2 hour before. The world is a bright glow and the lady is caressing my spine every so seductively. My eyes are getting just a tad crossed and my ears are much further apart than they were an hour ago. I didn't get the rush I had expected but I did get an instant "float". I think I should have done just a tiny tad more but I sure am glad I didn't eat the whole thing.

Thanks a bunch, Duck, I owe you.
 
cannabineer said:
Orally, I've found 20 mg to be just right. I agree with the Duck on crushing the requisite amount (I'd do 1/3 of the tab) and suspending/dissolving in a suitable liquid. I've never tried the rectal dosing. cn
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Canna, I just can't bring myself to go into politics and argue today - everyone there is so nice and friendly and helpful and kind, I can't understand why I ever decided to screw with thosse fine peole.
 
MrEDuck said:
It's the only thing that can hold a candle to IV. Bioavailability is around 90% for most of the opioids. Not bad considering how crappy morphine and it's derivatives are orally and even nasally.
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Now that would explain it all then wouldn't it - I am used to 15 - 20 oral and have done it the other way which would be the equivelent of how much oral?

what is the bioavailabilty oral?
 
canndo said:
Now that would explain it all then wouldn't it - I am used to 15 - 20 oral and have done it the other way which would be the equivelent of how much oral?

what is the bioavailabilty oral?
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Typically, once the other way is worth 2 to 3 oral (swallowed). cn

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I am a happy drunk too.


Can't figure out why anyone would want to take something that would make them sour and agitated and mean.

I think I am going to lay down now.
 
Sounds like it was quite effective. It's about 2.5-3x stronger than oral.
A few tips, you don't need that much water, and don't use anything more concentrated than 0.9% or you start pulling water in by osmosis. Not a problem if you're a regular opioid user (then it kills two birds with one stone). But if you're not it can end up getting expelled.
 
Well it was delightful though a tad shorter than oral. And I still have quite a bit left!!

I wonder if the fact that I used too much water is what shorted the rush - but that doesn't make sense does it? more water, more surface area exposed?
 
But that surface area is exposed to much lower concentrations. A smaller amount will be more concentrated and therefore have more of the solute at the boundary of the solution. Until the concentration exceeds what can be rapidly absorbed it's better to be more concentrated.
 
MrEDuck said:
But that surface area is exposed to much lower concentrations. A smaller amount will be more concentrated and therefore have more of the solute at the boundary of the solution. Until the concentration exceeds what can be rapidly absorbed it's better to be more concentrated.
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Yeah, I figure. But, what I don't understand is how the substance can bypass the liver on it's first go round via anal but not via nasal. lots of flowing blood close to the surface in either place. Or is that what it really does? I thought it was a gastric issue and apparently it is not.
 
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