Ph Run off

Jenko

Jenko

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Ok i ph'd mix before going in reading at 6.7
Collected water from run off reading at 4.1
Am i missing something??
 
xtsho

xtsho

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I've never checked runoff. Those cannabis growing websites are not the holy grail. They are full of inaccurate information. Grow Weed Easy is another one with information that is not always accurate.

But as for runoff. It can cause more issues as people chase after it trying to compensate by running high or low pH solutions through their grow medium or flushing the crap out of them to make the runoff match some number they think it should be.

If you take care of what goes in and don't overfeed you shouldn't have any issues. I think many people do too much. I've seen plenty of people on this site with pictures of healthy plants trying to get the runoff to match what they put in and end up actually causing issues when none existed before.

Feed properly and let the plant grow. It's that simple.
 
BobThe420Builder

BobThe420Builder

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xtsho said:
I've never checked runoff. Those cannabis growing websites are not the holy grail. They are full of inaccurate information. Grow Weed Easy is another one with information that is not always accurate.

But as for runoff. It can cause more issues as people chase after it trying to compensate by running high or low pH solutions through their grow medium or flushing the crap out of them to make the runoff match some number they think it should be.

If you take care of what goes in and don't overfeed you shouldn't have any issues. I think many people do too much. I've seen plenty of people on this site with pictures of healthy plants trying to get the runoff to match what they put in and end up actually causing issues when none existed before.

Feed properly and let the plant grow. It's that simple.
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xtsho

xtsho

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I'd also like to point out another thing about runoff. When I use blumats and coco there is no runoff which goes against the supposed requirement when growing in coco. So proper feeding is what you need to pay attention to.

As for that coco site. They claim you need to use calmag. I don't. They say you need to water until runoff. I don't. And they also say to flush using FloraKleen. I don't and never will. They also include a link to Amazon to buy the product complete with a referral code. So that's 3 things they say you need to do that I don't and I'm sure there are more. But I still grow healthy happy plants in coco.

Just as with many youtube video's where they push certain products many of these cannabis sites have a financial incentive to promote certain products.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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xtsho said:
I'd also like to point out another thing about runoff. When I use blumats and coco there is no runoff which goes against the supposed requirement when growing in coco. So proper feeding is what you need to pay attention to.

As for that coco site. They claim you need to use calmag. I don't. They say you need to water until runoff. I don't. And they also say to flush using FloraKleen. I don't and never will. They also include a link to Amazon to buy the product complete with a referral code. So that's 3 things they say you need to do that I don't and I'm sure there are more. But I still grow healthy happy plants in coco.

Just as with many youtube video's where they push certain products many of these cannabis sites have a financial incentive to promote certain products.
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That’s what a lot of these “informative” articles are for is to promote the purchase of shit the site sponsors want to sell you.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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xtsho said:
I'd also like to point out another thing about runoff. When I use blumats and coco there is no runoff which goes against the supposed requirement when growing in coco. So proper feeding is what you need to pay attention to.

As for that coco site. They claim you need to use calmag. I don't. They say you need to water until runoff. I don't. And they also say to flush using FloraKleen. I don't and never will. They also include a link to Amazon to buy the product complete with a referral code. So that's 3 things they say you need to do that I don't and I'm sure there are more. But I still grow healthy happy plants in coco.

Just as with many youtube video's where they push certain products many of these cannabis sites have a financial incentive to promote certain products.
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Same thing here....when i did run coco....i never used calmag, never watered till runoff and never needed to "flush". Apparently RIU has coco as a hydro medium. i dont agree with that but if you can treat it like hydro and get good results then no complaints from me.
 
Doug Dawson

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getogrow said:
Same thing here....when i did run coco....i never used calmag, never watered till runoff and never needed to "flush". Apparently RIU has coco as a hydro medium. i dont agree with that but if you can treat it like hydro and get good results then no complaints from me.
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Not getting into the thread debate but wonder what you mean by RIU has coco as a hydro medium. It's not just folks on RIU but on the whole planet that call it a hydro medium. The definition of hydro is "Simply put, hydroponic gardening is method of growing plants without soil". Since coco coir is ground coconut husks it is not soil and has no nutrients it is considered a hydroponic medium. Not trying to bust your chops, just curious what you though process is behind your comment as I don't get it.
 
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getogrow

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Doug Dawson said:
Not getting into the thread debate but wonder what you mean by RIU has coco as a hydro medium. It's not just folks on RIU but on the whole planet that call it a hydro medium. The definition of hydro is "Simply put, hydroponic gardening is method of growing plants without soil". Since coco coir is ground coconut husks it is not soil and has no nutrients it is considered a hydroponic medium. Not trying to bust your chops, just curious what you though process is behind your comment as I don't get it.
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Its the exact same thing as peat moss with a higher ph.
Its the same thing as soil with no food.
You can use it as a hydro medium with great results but i just cant call it that. It retains water unlike most hydro mediums. The bacteria in it makes it closer to soil in my opinion. the end product from coco blows away hydro in my opinion too. Your not wrong by no means. im just speaking in opinions.


soil :joint:
 
Doug Dawson

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getogrow said:
Its the exact same thing as peat moss with a higher ph.
Its the same thing as soil with no food.
You can use it as a hydro medium with great results but i just cant call it that. It retains water unlike most hydro mediums. The bacteria in it makes it closer to soil in my opinion. the end product from coco blows away hydro in my opinion too. Your not wrong by no means. im just speaking in opinions.


soil :joint:
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HMM, well I don't necessarily agree but I understand your point. Thanks for expressing it. I would classify it a hydroponic medium because it is not soil and that is the definition of hydroponic growing, to grow soil less. Making a substitute that is close to soil does not make it soil IMO but hey, we all have those, lol. Thanks bud, appreciate you responding, now I understand where you are coming from. Have a great day brother, happy growing :peace:
 
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Rurumo

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getogrow said:
Its the exact same thing as peat moss with a higher ph.
Its the same thing as soil with no food.
You can use it as a hydro medium with great results but i just cant call it that. It retains water unlike most hydro mediums. The bacteria in it makes it closer to soil in my opinion. the end product from coco blows away hydro in my opinion too. Your not wrong by no means. im just speaking in opinions.


soil :joint:
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What I find funny is how some people consider coco a hydro or "soilless" mix (which it is) but then consider something like Fox Farm Ocean Forest (or literally any other "potting soil") to be actual "soil". The main ingredients in potting soil are "forest products" and peat moss. Someone please explain to me how tree bark is closer to real soil than coconut husks LOL? A product like "coco loco" is just as much real soil as Ocean Forest-that is, neither of them come close-they are just bark+ewc/guanao sprinkled in. I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make here....just that I find the distinction between potting soil and coco to be stupid-the ONLY difference is PH and maybe the potassium content of coco. "Real soil" is what you find in your backyard-hopefully. Personally, I'd only grow in soil outdoors, indoors coco works better for me, even using organics, than potting soil.
 
Doug Dawson

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Rurumo said:
What I find funny is how some people consider coco a hydro or "soilless" mix (which it is) but then consider something like Fox Farm Ocean Forest (or literally any other "potting soil") to be actual "soil". The main ingredients in potting soil are "forest products" and peat moss. Someone please explain to me how tree bark is closer to real soil than coconut husks LOL? A product like "coco loco" is just as much real soil as Ocean Forest-that is, neither of them come close-they are just bark+ewc/guanao sprinkled in. I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make here....just that I find the distinction between potting soil and coco to be stupid-the ONLY difference is PH and maybe the potassium content of coco. "Real soil" is what you find in your backyard-hopefully. Personally, I'd only grow in soil outdoors, indoors coco works better for me, even using organics, than potting soil.
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I get what you mean, I cannot explain. I agree that some define things in odd ways. It's like a vegetarian meatball, it just make no sense.
 
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