Ph problems

o2hustla

New Member
hi guy's, im using a small 5L tub as my nursery dwc, the thing is my ph goes up very quick. i can set it at 5.5 at say 10am and by 1pm its up 6.sumthing. im using hesi hydro nutes and additives and i use ph down to get it to where it should be, could it be because of the size of the tub im using ? is this just the normal with dwc systems ? any ideas guy's ? i have bigger 20L tubs to use but the plants are tiny at the moment and didnt want to go that big to start off with.
many thanks

hustla
 

bigd921

Well-Known Member
are you using rocwool cubes? Just had the same problem and the rocwool I was using was breaking apart and was settling down on the bottom of my tub
 

o2hustla

New Member
are you using rocwool cubes? Just had the same problem and the rocwool I was using was breaking apart and was settling down on the bottom of my tub
hi there bigd, yea im using cubes but they dont seem to be breaking apart. there is nothing vizable in the solution or tub. i just dont know whats causing this problem. ive heard that the dwc systems ph does wander but i didnt know it was this bad.

hustla
 

bigd921

Well-Known Member
Are you watering your plants thru thr top if so the spill off from the rocwoll maybe causing the problem, but I have read it takes about 3 or 4 days to get your ph correctly adjusted in your system
 

Earl

Well-Known Member
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These are the rules for tapwater,
or water over 50ppm and/or initial pH of near 8.

After you add nutes to your water,
the pH should be close to 5.6.

If your water is very hard, over 200ppm,
then you will need to add pH down
(Phosphoric acid, or Sulfuric acid)
to achieve 5.6.

In a few hours,
as the buffers absorbs the acids,
the pH will move up,
back to near the original pH of the water.

So, you will need to continue to add pH down,
at least twice a day,
to re-establish the pH back at 5.6

After doing this for a few days,
the pH will become stable for a few hours,
maybe even for a day or so,
and then the pH will fall below 5.6 without adding any pH down.

When the pH falls without you adding pH down,
you have met the pH rule.

This is when it is time to change the nutes,
even if you have not met the Add Back Rule

For some nutes,
it is best if you always let the pH move from low to high,
and then you adjust it back down,
while other nutes will react in the opposite way,
depending on whether the mfg decided to buffer the formula or not.

Try to never allow the pH lower than 5.2 or higher than 6.2,
ideally you will maintain 5.6,
but in reality you will probably drift between 5.2 and 6.0

The time that this sequence takes will vary with the plant size,
the amount of water the plant is consuming/transpiring,
and the concentrtation of the nute solution (ppm/nute load).

If you are growing with tapwater,
the pH rule is the best method to determine when to change the nutes.
It can be as long as 10 days, and as short as 4 days.

If you must use tapwater,
It is highly recommended to use a Hard Water nutrient.

Your rez volume, the phase of your grow, and the type of nutes you have
will determine how often you need to adjust the pH.

Your job is to maintain the pH,
and change out the nutes at the appropriate time.
 

o2hustla

New Member
i have just changed the nutes in my dwc after spending all afternoon checking the ph. it has stayed at 5.5/5.6 since i made it up 4 hours ago. after an hour of being in the tub its jumped up to 6.0. the solution temp is the same as it was before i put it in the tub ( 69-70 F ). the only thing in the tub is the nutes and an air stone so im stumped as to whats causing this ph rise.
thanks for that info earl, does it matter how many times i adjust the ph in a day ? im in a soft water area and im using hesi hydro nutes which are ph nutral. after adding my nutes the ph is 6.6.

hustla
 
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