ph issues need veteran hydro insight

Quickly I posted in dwc bubbleponics amd got 1 reply so I came here.
Second grow 1000w hps 75 degree avg 40-50rh cyco platinum series nutes. day 44 flower, my plants are drinking a gallon of water each every day. The remaining water in the buckets climbs from 5.5 to 6.5 ph daily. My water is constantly 250 ppm from tap after I add nutes it comes to 1500 ppm. Is the ph rising with them asking for more nutes?? I thought I read that but they look fantastic at 1500 ppm someone with experience please help

In a side container, find out how much the nutes raise the PH. Then, PH the water down to compensate BEFORE you add the nutes each time.

So ph my water prior to nutes then add nutes and see what happens??

k_elliott99 said:

So ph my water prior to nutes then add nutes and see what happens??

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Not see what happens, set the PH around 5.5 (6.5 in soil) as your hydro system wants it to be.

Ph the water. Add nutes. Ph the water again. Your target is 5.5. Ph your water BEFORE adding the nutes so you know what your baseline ph is.

Yeah before nutes im st 250 ppm 7.0 ph roughly every day! My water sucks tremendously

What does your food do to the ph?

Mad_Prophessor said:

What does your food do to the ph?

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It goes down from about 7 ph to 6.7ish after nutes. I thought I read somewhere that if ur ph rose every day that the plants were calling for more nutes

Hey man I use technaflora nutes I found them to be very stable. Before when i used mills i had a few ph pro lrms. Maybe has somthing to do with your nutes. I use tap water with 250 ppm

No, rising ph doesn't indicate your plant needs more food and your ph shouldn't drift that much in 1 day. 1500 is pretty high for dwc, so if anything, it's probably telling you to back off the nutrients. Depending on what nutrient line you're using you most likely could go from start to finish without exceeding half the nutrient concentration you're using now -- with just base nutrients.

unwine99 said:

No, rising ph doesn't indicate your plant needs more food and your ph shouldn't drift that much in 1 day. 1500 is pretty high for dwc, so if anything, it's probably telling you to back off the nutrients. Depending on what nutrient line you're using you most likely could go from start to finish without exceeding half the nutrient concentration you're using now -- with just base nutrients.

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I agree!

markymark88 said:

Hey man I use technaflora nutes I found them to be very stable. Before when i used mills i had a few ph pro lrms. Maybe has somthing to do with your nutes. I use tap water with 250 ppm

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Lol maybe im spoiled on technagloura I used the bc recipe for sucfess kit on grow 1 and it was stable as could be

unwine99 said:

No, rising ph doesn't indicate your plant needs more food and your ph shouldn't drift that much in 1 day. 1500 is pretty high for dwc, so if anything, it's probably telling you to back off the nutrients. Depending on what nutrient line you're using you most likely could go from start to finish without exceeding half the nutrient concentration you're using now -- with just base nutrients.

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Thanks for the input im using cyco platinum series and the feeding schedule says 1500 ppm plus the water ppm so idk??

k_elliott99 said:

Thanks for the input im using cyco platinum series and the feeding schedule says 1500 ppm plus the water ppm so idk??

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I've never heard of Cyco nutrients but judging from the website, they seem very "AdvancedNutrientsESQUE". Platinum series eh? Please don't tell me you bought all 200 of those bottles. Anyway, all that stuff is unnecessary, especially in hydro. The more crap you add to your water outside your base nutrients, the more you're asking for problems -- i.e unnecessarily high ppms and ph fluctuations.

For future reference, ditch everything but the base Grow and Bloom nutrients -- use your ppm meter. If the ppm's go down as your res water goes down, add in increments of 50 ppms until you find that sweet spot where the ppm stays the same as your water goes down. If your ppm goes up as your res water goes down, decrease in increments of 50 ppms until you find that sweet spot. In hydro, my plants are typically sitting fat and happy around 550-650 ppm and I've for sure never had to go over 750.

Fill up your reservoir or container with the tap water. Add PH down to get it to 5.8 - 6.0. Add your nutrients. It should drop the PH a few points and put it in target range.. From there watch and see if the PH swings that large of an amount after feedings. It shouldnt with this method. A tenth of a point swing every couple days is usually what I see.. I use tap water with 280 PPM and 8.0 PH and never have a issue with PH swing with this method.

If your PPM goes down after you feed then that would indicate they need more nutes. However, at 1500PPM I am like 99% sure that your PPM is not going down. I bet it is rising after each feeding.

unwine99 said:

I've never heard of Cyco nutrients but judging from the website, they seem very "AdvancedNutrientsESQUE". Platinum series eh? Please don't tell me you bought all 200 of those bottles. Anyway, all that stuff is unnecessary, especially in hydro. The more crap you add to your water outside your base nutrients, the more you're asking for problems -- i.e unnecessarily high ppms and ph fluctuations.

For future reference, ditch everything but the base Grow and Bloom nutrients -- use your ppm meter. If the ppm's go down as your res water goes down, add in increments of 50 ppms until you find that sweet spot where the ppm stays the same as your water goes down. If your ppm goes up as your res water goes down, decrease in increments of 50 ppms until you find that sweet spot. In hydro, my plants are typically sitting fat and happy around 550-650 ppm and I've for sure never had to go over 750.

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You need micro also, not just grow and bloom.

Mad_Prophessor said:

You need micro also, not just grow and bloom.

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I suppose, assuming you're using a 3 part like flora series. Point being, you only need your base nutrients -- whether it's a 1,2, or 3 part.

unwine99 said:

I suppose, assuming you're using a 3 part like flora series. Point being, you only need your base nutrients -- whether it's a 1,2, or 3 part.

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Most of them have a 3 part base and have supplementals that can also be used. I agree, if you don't know what you are doing, keep it as basic as possible.

Mad_Prophessor said:

Most of them have a 3 part base and have supplementals that can also be used.

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Not that I'm trying to argue -- I feel silly even responding but most lines aren't 3 part.

Mad_Prophessor said:

I agree, if you don't know what you are doing, keep it as basic as possible.

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More like............If you do know what you're doing, you keep it as basic as possible. The best hydro growers that I'm aware of here at RIU grow using just base nutrients -- some dry, some liquid but they keep it very, very basic and simple.........and their ppm's low. One guy in particular went an entire grow without going over 350 ppm's during peak flower, half of which was tap water, just to see how low he could keep his ppms, and he hit (or nearly hit, I can't remember), 1 gpw. Only noobs get suckered into buying all the fancy supplements with pretty packaging.

unwine99 said:

Not that I'm trying to argue -- I feel silly even responding but most lines aren't 3 part.


More like............If you do know what you're doing, you keep it as basic as possible. The best hydro growers that I'm aware of here at RIU grow using just base nutrients -- some dry, some liquid but they keep it very, very basic and simple.........and their ppm's low. One guy in particular went an entire grow without going over 350 ppm's during peak flower, half of which was tap water, just to see how low he could keep his ppms, and he hit (or nearly hit, I can't remember), 1 gpw. Only newbs get suckered into buying all the fancy supplements with pretty packaging.

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Are you for real? Grow, bloom and micro. Most lineups employ these three as their base.

I think you have things a little off. Three legged ballerinas exist, but they are not normal. Adding nutrients and bloom boosters give the plants what they want, when they want it. How is that getting suckered or being a newb? Molasses, coconut water, and other supplements grow bigger, healthier plants. I don't know where you are getting your information, but I would question the source were I you. There is certainly "snake oil" on the market, but you can't tell me things like liquid seaweed are not great for your plants. I have tested it side by side in MY grows (not somebody I read about online) and there was a clear difference from the 5 plants that had it and the 5 that didn't. Now, we are talking in every single way. The smell, flavor, yield, etc. etc. This is MY experiment that I did. Not something I heard. Based on your previous statement, if one guy did it, it must be scientific fact, so, I can say that adding food for your plants makes them bigger and better in every way. It must be fact now.

I have been growing a long time and have tried just about everything you can think of and still do. I fuck with plants and introduce them to new products and test shit ALL THE TIME (only organic products tho). The closer you get to a base ingredient, the better the result from the product you are using. That is my experience from over a decade of doing this. But, I probably don't know what I am talking about.

k_elliott99 said:

Thanks for the input im using cyco platinum series and the feeding schedule says 1500 ppm plus the water ppm so idk??

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cyco hey drop it by 1 ml man of what the chaart says in dwc deff are u useing the whole run or just cyco a+b ?