Outgrowing plant
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spliffendz
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What strain?
Not sure, some random seed i collected. It is an auto strain though, it started flowerjng by itself
Gentlemencorpse
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Its fine to bend the branches but if thats an auto im guessing you need more light... what are you running in there?
1000 watts led light
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Verrice
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@turbos911 - I use a Mars Hydro TS3000; it's supposed to be equivalent to 3000 watts, but it IS 450 watts (draw from the wall). As best I can tell, the one you have is 128 watts at the wall. I keep my light around 20-24 inches from the plant, and they're neither stretching nor burning. I believe with your light you need to be MUCH closer to the plant. Being new, myself, though, take my experience with the appropriate grain of salt. 
Gentlemencorpse
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Yeah, that listing is so chock full of lies it boggles the mind ... that light is actually around 128w as mentioned ... the plant stretched like that because it didnt get enough light... how big is your tent?
5x5x8
Cinco
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You have 25 square feet (5x5, we don’t care about height for light).
For LEDs, the rule of thumb is 30-45w per square foot. Closer to 30w for good LEDs with high efficiency, closer to 45w for anything else.
With that light and that area, you would need 6 of the light you have, @128w each to cover that area and hit the bare minimum.
instead I’d recommend 720w of quantum boards, or reducing your footprint (ie, only running in a 3x3 with 360w)
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Gentlemencorpse
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Oh man, you need WAY more light ... the rule of thumb is 35 per sq ft, so that would be 875w in that tent ... you have 128w ... every plant you grow will stretch like that until you address that issue... less space or more light friend
That tent is fixed and can not make the footage smaller. How is it 128, it said 1000Wats, i messaged the seller of the light and hopefully exchange it for something bigger. Thank you for all the replies, but adding more lights it would be really bright in there. Not an expert, but it's seems so bright
Verrice
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There's a couple things working against you with that light.
1) The 'specifications' are based off theoretical equivalencies (annoyingly common with LED lights), that lead to a false sense of how powerful the light is. What matters is the draw at the wall, and like others said, 30-35w (actual watts at the wall) per square foot is a good baseline. Mine is 450w (and much larger than the one you showed) in a 4x4 tent, and is actually just a pinch light; I'm hoping it'll be enough for flowering.
2) It's a cheap light anyway. You'll notice this a lot on Amazon, where there are a LOT of nearly identical products from lots of different brands. That usually means the product is a cheaper knock-off that is probably going to suffer from cut corners, less-than-honest specification, and low-quality components. For example, I just bought a hot-plate for making canna butter from Amazon. It was some never heard of brand, and there were a few of the same looking model with different names, so likely a knock-off, but I went for it anyway. To register for the warranty, you have to send an email to their @hotmail.com email address. No joke!
Anyway... I went with the Mars Hydro TS3000 (also on Amazon) because it was the closest compromise I could find between solid output, and not totally breaking the bank for light. It's one of the most important components in your tent, and you definitely want to, in my opinion, put more of your money into the light. Maybe a bigger version of the same brand will work okay; I personally wouldn't expect much, but I could be wrong.
1) The 'specifications' are based off theoretical equivalencies (annoyingly common with LED lights), that lead to a false sense of how powerful the light is. What matters is the draw at the wall, and like others said, 30-35w (actual watts at the wall) per square foot is a good baseline. Mine is 450w (and much larger than the one you showed) in a 4x4 tent, and is actually just a pinch light; I'm hoping it'll be enough for flowering.
2) It's a cheap light anyway. You'll notice this a lot on Amazon, where there are a LOT of nearly identical products from lots of different brands. That usually means the product is a cheaper knock-off that is probably going to suffer from cut corners, less-than-honest specification, and low-quality components. For example, I just bought a hot-plate for making canna butter from Amazon. It was some never heard of brand, and there were a few of the same looking model with different names, so likely a knock-off, but I went for it anyway. To register for the warranty, you have to send an email to their @hotmail.com email address. No joke!
Anyway... I went with the Mars Hydro TS3000 (also on Amazon) because it was the closest compromise I could find between solid output, and not totally breaking the bank for light. It's one of the most important components in your tent, and you definitely want to, in my opinion, put more of your money into the light. Maybe a bigger version of the same brand will work okay; I personally wouldn't expect much, but I could be wrong.
Verrice
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If you ever want to really spend money on lighting... https://fluence.science/products/spydr-series/
Cinco
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Trust me, it’s not that bright. Your plants don’t think so, they are stretching trying to find more...
It is only 100w draw. They say it’s comparable to 1000w but that is ridiculous.
You don’t have to physically reduce the size of the tent, you can just limit yourself to growing in a smaller footprint inside it...
Cookie Rider
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I'd kink the stem and lay the plant down sideways, throw a trellis net over it to tie it down/hold it in place.
Let the side branches grow straight up, and drop the light within 10"- maybe even closer to touching the plant. Then flip it, see how it goes.
Let the side branches grow straight up, and drop the light within 10"- maybe even closer to touching the plant. Then flip it, see how it goes.
Gentlemencorpse
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Yeah. Any grow light seems bright compared to what were used too but that doesnt mean much...
The listing for those cheap Amazon lights are always misleading... honestly for a tent that size Id get an HID if your on a budget ... a 600w HPS is under $200... any LED setup is gonna cost you a heck of a lot more
I'm going to downsize my tent
what you think about this list, i'm debating on what light to get, there is the mars brand name for the 1000w or the philzon 2000w
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soo expensive lol 1300, 1400 it's worth it in the long run I guessIf you ever want to really spend money on lighting... https://fluence.science/products/spydr-series/