Organic Soil & Flower Tabs anyone??? ADVICE & HELP PLEASE!!!

GuerillaGrowers

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so i recently ordered some seeds from NIRVANA seed company in NL. As a free gift, they sent me a few packs of what they called a complete grow feed kit.. or something like that.. here it is. germinationkit.com www.soiltabs.com www.flowertabs.com to be used in that order. Now i skip the first one, as I believe that seeds aer better off without any ferts, regardles of how weak... I usually just use a bacterial fungi type additive only.. like vodoo juice, by Advanced Nutrients... or just plain compost in a small bio-degradable cup... Anyways... i got them for free... so I decided to use the soil tabs in one of the pots of the first seeds I planted.. all of my plants were doing good.. but I had to run down to TX for 2 weeks.. and my mom was feeding my plants.. she tried her best... but when i came home. all but ONE of my girls were dead.. including my black jack's, jack herer's, and raspberry cough.. the only one that was alive.. was my Oh God plant, the one I had used the soil tab in. As it grew, and got close to flower time, i decided what the hell, and used a flower tab in the same pot... The manufacturer says that its an ALL ORGANIC nutrient , time released tablet... NORMALLY i wouldnt use a "tablet" style food... as I find that they usually always burn the roots somehow... but amazingly, this stuff really seems to be working!
i mean that plant is completely butchered by now... Ive been using it to juice it.. i use the leaves and tems, or anything i cut off it in a juicer to extract the CBD for my chronic pain & spasms... but anyways.. the plant has been to hell and back... and is still alive.. thats my point
Now i have a better light system... i know more about feeding and watering etc.. even how to grow with different systems.. so i have some Tora Bora seeds Im gonna plant here in about a month or so... what Im wondering is... can these little tabs REALLY be organic??? and as im a beginner grower, and it would be easier and more precise to use such a tablet style feeding system, leaving me only to watering and watching the plant.. much easire for a noob.... but Im somewhat skeptical on whether their really 100% organic or not... and what kind of effect theyll have on a plant thats slightly more touchy to nutrients????
I cant afford to go replacing Tora seeds all day LOL And I just bought the house I live in, and have no compost system going yet, and really dont even know where in my hood to go get a reliable, pre mixed organic soil...
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE TAKING PLANTS TO BUD USING THESE TABS??? IF NOT, WHATS THE EASIEST WAY FOR A NOOB TO GROW HIS MEDICAL PLANTS ORGANICALLY? AND IS THERE SUCH THING AS A ORGANIC LIQUID NUTRIENT? POSSIBLY A 1 PART ORGANIC NUTRIENT THAT IS RELIABLE LIKE A 2 OR 3 PART SYSTEM I USE IN MY HYDRO SYSTEM NOW?
 

Sturbz

Member
Yo Guerilla!
Good question & I am sorry you don't have any pictures from your crop.

This is some Ak48 that was giving me major problems in the beginning, I gave her a flower tab & introduced flower photoperiod 2 almost 3 weeks ago, she looks green & bushier than ever.

This is my second ever soil grow & my first grow from seed.
So I am hoping for something promising.
She is under a 600HPS dimmable at 75% that is about 3 feet from the light.




I know she has a slight PH problem but I applied some dolomite earlier this week to balance her out.
It will be the beginning of Bloom week 3 on Sunday.
I am kind of dissapointed in development of soil vs coco but I like the convenience of soil.

Ok, to answer your questions..

THe picture above will come to answer your first question in about a month and a half, or so from now.

To grow organically without the use of these tabs I suggest you find some organic fertz to fit the required N-P-K values necessary for your plant during whatever phase your grow is in. I have found a lot of soil threads that will set you up with great organic soil preperation recipes that all you have to do is take care of PH throughout the entire grow process, veg & bloom.

Yes, I have grown hydro for a couple years & during the process I have been converting everything to organics.
THere are a lot of diffrent liquid organic nutrients out there including kinds you can make at home like compost tea..ect.

I can't remeber but I think it was iguana juice has a grow/bloom & you can find most chelated forms of micronutes in your local hydro store.
 

Sturbz

Member
Oh, for hydro organics I also suggest mychorizal, you can balance veg with seaweed extract, fish emulsion & humic acids.
I got good results with a ph of 6.1 & PPMs starting at 4 - 600PPM for babies & full grow veg can handle all the way of to 1200.
I don't like to give them more than that until bloom.

Flushing once every week with a flat 6.0 should give results.
 

GuerillaGrowers

Active Member
thanks... i use pro mix, with mychorizae added to it, it already has perlite and a wetting agent in it, and then i add any extra hydroton i have left over into the mix, as well as on th bottm, for better air ratio, when i flush, i use the rain barrel water... its already RO from nature, and the PH i dont even bother to test it anymore, only for piece of mind, but its the same every time LOL

appreciate the advice though.. i have heard of guana juice.. i believe its by advanced nutrients, which is who I use when i grow in dro
 

GuerillaGrowers

Active Member
i also use a 600 watt super hps.. i have mine set at 600, 3.5 feet above, 3 feet was sapping my leaves of their chlorophyl... but now their looking better i plan on flipping the ballast to the "super" part when I floer... it says the light im using will give off like 17% better par then a norml 600 watter

this will be my first time to actually flower my girls... lol cant wait!
 

GuerillaGrowers

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how many nodes did you have when you flipped the lights over and from seed it looks nice.... my `butcher plant`used to look like that LOL
 

Sturbz

Member
Yeah, she is actually stunted big time compared to everyday grow but she bounced back more than I expected with this tablet.
I don't play with soil as it isn't my field but I have done it before & vegged too long which are the results in my avatar, I didn't get sh*t compared to hydro in yeild. But it was way more delicious.

She was 5 nodes before I flipped.
A month of veg from seed, maybe 5 weeks but she was giving me all kinds of problems in the beginning.
The soil I am using is "vigoro" from home de-pot. ;]
LoL!
I laugh at myself for using this but I want to grow from cheap ass sh*t to learn the way of the grow.
I used this soil to test & see what this tablet stuff can do as I also got them as a gift & they have been sitting in the G room for days.

Anyway I used the Veg tabs on white widow & they fried her.
I might have not used them correctly as I understood seed/clones could handle it but I must have put it too close to the root base or something.

I am thinking to cut the tablets in quarters but I don't know if that will f*ck up the biodegrading process.
That is also where I failed to mention that I am in need of some answers myself for these tablets.

I hope to learn the way of soil.
Where I am, it feels too risky to check out hydro stores.
So I had to find my nutes through local nurseries, lows & home de-POT..ect.
 

Sturbz

Member
You don't know what your butcher plant yielded, do you?
& I also use rain water!
;]]

I want to know if these tablets provide enough nutes or if I have add some P-K for some yield.

The picture of my avater yielded about an ounce.
[LMaO!]
:[

That was BC' "God's Bud" which I don't think is around anymore, it is all "God's Gift" now or some sh*t like that.
But that was a cut of the original God's Bud grown in Black gold/perlite.
 

GuerillaGrowers

Active Member
You don't know what your butcher plant yielded, do you?
& I also use rain water!
;]]

I want to know if these tablets provide enough nutes or if I have add some P-K for some yield.

hes got a bunch of god bud crosses, and the best god bud pheno I can find

The picture of my avater yielded about an ounce.
[LMaO!]
:[

That was BC' "God's Bud" which I don't think is around anymore, it is all "God's Gift" now or some sh*t like that.
But that was a cut of the original God's Bud grown in Black gold/perlite.
jordan has a bunch of god bud crosses.. including the best pheno of the original god plant I can find, good price too! check vancouver seed bank
 

Sturbz

Member
Yeah, I like the original God bud cut I got do to rarity & the fact it smelled like strawberry jam.
Anyway, here is the update for this Ak-48 in soil with the flower tablet.



I feed her twice a week & also added some fertz.
I don't have any of my tools with me to check PH but I think she is running a little acidic but I can't do much about that until I get my PH meter back.

She isn't as big as I had hoped but this is the result of those flower tabs.
Not to mention she had stunted during veg with transplant shock.
She should pull at the least a half-O from what I see, maybe a bit more.

I will post the final cut in a month or so.
Hope you enjoyed the update!
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Sturbz

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Oh, also try Pure blend pro from botanicare!

I didn't use any of this as I am nowhere near a hydro store & the point of this grow is to run as little as possible.
 

malignant

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when i use liquid nutes i use pureblend pro with iguana juice, lots and lots of molasses hydroponics.net ships discreetly in plain brown boxes. so do a few other places. welcome to the forum, you have good information to share, I hope you choose to stick around:bigjoint:
 

Sturbz

Member
Niice!
Iguana juice tends to smell after opening but I have never had bad results.
My old grow partner & I used to also mix the two as well.

For sure I will keep the ordering in mind, I just don't want anything traced back to my location. [credit,debit cards...ect.]


Yes, I hope to stick around to learn/share information.
Most of my experience is in hydro but if I can help at all in any way with my results in soil, then my posts have not gone in vain.
;]

Thank you for making me feel so welcome!

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malignant

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you can always get prepaid cards, impossible to trace if you buy from a store or kiosk without a camera then you enter any name you want in your order online
 

Sturbz

Member
Thanks but still too paranoid to put address down...ect.

Ok, so here is another update for flower tablet.


I got my ph meter finally & found she was as low as 6.1 probably a lot lower as I went in at a 7.1
but things are much better now.

I have her fixed at a 6.8 feeding in at 7.0.
She is sucking up the food like no tomorrow, drying up everyday.

PPM's went from of course 2000++ & are now coming out at a 800 - 900 since I fixed PH.
So I decided to feed her some food which I would normally go in at 1000 - 1500 PPM's but because it is close to harvest I am going in around 400 - 500 PPM's. [Is this not good?] I am used to coco grow & I would normally feed 4 - 600 in the 2nd to last week & on the last week just plain water.
She is about 2 weeks from harvest but she is still growing everyday so I am not too sure as to when she will be ready.

These flower tablets work but I still recommend so more nutes during the flowering process.

Hope this helps.
 

PaulN'Chuck

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That AK is looking god brother. I read you would like to learn the ways of the soil? I would be happy to help. If you know about hydro we can benefit from each other. I believe we are close by too. I feel you about being sketched out going to hydro stores. Shoot me a pm, lets talk ideas. I may have some helpful soil tips for ya seeing as how I used to work in a green house managing 2500+ vegetables and flowers
 

Sturbz

Member
UPDATE! :


So here are the final results in a $10 bag of organic soil from Home De-POT & a flower tablet from Nirvana.
She looks & smells organic.
Not a 48 day strain as I cropped at 66 days but then again she was stunted at first & I couldn't control temps.
:/

From the looks & feel she will weigh in at roughly 2 - 3 O's but I will give the final dry weight in a week.*
Even bottom nugs came in a little dense.
Hope someone finds this useful.
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