Organic Experiment / Fun Game Anyone?

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guhman2002

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Experimenting with Soils. Have this left over, didn’t know if anyone would want to throw me a recipe with what I got here and I’ll cook it then throw in a Black Sugar seedling and see how it does.
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Bases
1) Roots Soil
2) ProMix
3) CoCo Gro (Organicare Coir)
4) FF Ocean Forest and Light Warrior
5) Perlite
Composts:
1) BU’S Blend Biodynamic (Cow)
2) Charlie’s Compost (Chicken)
3) Wiggle Worm EWC
4) GO Ancient Alaskan Humus
5) Steer Manure
Ammends
1) Alfalfa Meal
2) Fish Bone Meal
3) Blood Meal
4) Kelp Meal
5) Crab Meal
6) Bone Meal
7) Green Sand
8) Oyster Shell
9) Neem Cake
10) Karanja Cake
Mineral:
1) Dolo Lime
2) Rock Pho’s (Epsoma)
3) Azomite
4) Gypsum
5) Down To Earth Granular Root Zone
Guano:
1) Budswel Super Bat
2) Roots High Pho’s Bat Guano
3) Down To Earth High N Bat Guano

Have Fun, Help Me Out, and maybe Answer some of Your own questions...
P.S. I can run up to a hydro store and get something if you think it’s absolutely necessary but trying to do this with my leftovers.

Sooner the better for “cooking time” reasons.
 

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Richard Drysift

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What’s Karanja cake? Sounds tasty....
Sounds like will be a fairly stout mix; might want to cut this down a bit with spent/recycled soil or coco if you plan to start young plants in it. Don’t think you’ll need to add much more of anything; be sure to let it set for 30 days. It may even be overkill to add all this at once but you are set for amendments for like a real long time.
 
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guhman2002

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Richard Drysift said:
What’s Karanja cake? Sounds tasty....
Sounds like will be a fairly stout mix; might want to cut this down a bit with spent/recycled soil or coco if you plan to start young plants in it. Don’t think you’ll need to add much more of anything; be sure to let it set for 30 days. It may even be overkill to add all this at once but you are set for amendments for like a real long time.
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I probably didn’t explain it well LOL but you may have misunderstood... I’m basically offering to test a recipe for someone/everyone and was just showing what all I have available.
But yeah the plant I will be putting In will be established 2-3 week from sprout
 
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Richard Drysift

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If you just throw together most of all that you have on hand and let it sit for a month to normalize the ph you should have a decent water only mix. Just one or two types of guano is needed for now; maybe save some to make a tea down the road. For a young plant like say 2-3 weeks from seed a slightly milder mix might be better; just take your already amended mix and add in some spent soil or coco coir to cut it down. Then test away...
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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guhman2002 said:
Experimenting with Soils. Have this left over, didn’t know if anyone would want to throw me a recipe with what I got here and I’ll cook it then throw in a Black Sugar seedling and see how it does.
See Pictures but...

Bases
1) Roots Soil
2) ProMix
3) CoCo Gro (Organicare Coir)
4) FF Ocean Forest and Light Warrior
5) Perlite
Composts:
1) BU’S Blend Biodynamic (Cow)
2) Charlie’s Compost (Chicken)
3) Wiggle Worm EWC
4) GO Ancient Alaskan Humus
5) Steer Manure
Ammends
1) Alfalfa Meal
2) Fish Bone Meal
3) Blood Meal
4) Kelp Meal
5) Crab Meal
6) Bone Meal
7) Green Sand
8) Oyster Shell
9) Neem Cake
10) Karanja Cake
Mineral:
1) Dolo Lime
2) Rock Pho’s (Epsoma)
3) Azomite
4) Gypsum
5) Down To Earth Granular Root Zone
Guano:
1) Budswel Super Bat
2) Roots High Pho’s Bat Guano
3) Down To Earth High N Bat Guano

Have Fun, Help Me Out, and maybe Answer some of Your own questions...
P.S. I can run up to a hydro store and get something if you think it’s absolutely necessary but trying to do this with my leftovers.

Sooner the better for “cooking time” reasons.
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Awesome man. Why not try a few different mixes with different bases and see what works best. I think you would learn more at the same time. And I'd be interested to see the results.

I'm not a fan of mixing peat moss with coco though.
 
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guhman2002

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PadawanWarrior said:
Awesome man. Why not try a few different mixes with different bases and see what works best. I think you would learn more at the same time. And I'd be interested to see the results.

I'm not a fan of mixing peat moss with coco though.
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Since I’m learning all I can, care to elaborate on why not to mix coco and peat...

p.s. I’m gonna run 4 plants in 4 different mixes and record everything and tweak and what not from there. I got 2-3 I wanna try so looking for input on what else to test
 
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PadawanWarrior

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guhman2002 said:
Since I’m learning all I can, care to elaborate on why not to mix coco and peat...

p.s. I’m gonna run 4 plants in 4 different mixes and record everything and tweak and what not from there. I got 2-3 I wanna try so looking for input on what else to test
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They are 2 totally different mediums. I've heard reasons why not to mix them. I can't remember exactly but it was something about the CEC being different and the coco kinda wanting to fight over nutes with the peat. Personally I'm a fan of peat. I even use that in my worm bin instead of coco like most people. I'm no expert though.
www.kisorganics.com

Peat vs Coco Coir

This can be a hotly debated topic among growers as to what's the best media for growing plants. In this article, I'll weigh in with my opinion on the subject as there are Pros and Cons to both.
www.kisorganics.com www.kisorganics.com
 
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MICHI-CAN

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PadawanWarrior said:
They are 2 totally different mediums. I've heard reasons why not to mix them. I can't remember exactly but it was something about the CEC being different and the coco kinda wanting to fight over nutes with the peat. Personally I'm a fan of peat. I even use that in my worm bin instead of coco like most people. I'm no expert though.
www.kisorganics.com

Peat vs Coco Coir

This can be a hotly debated topic among growers as to what's the best media for growing plants. In this article, I'll weigh in with my opinion on the subject as there are Pros and Cons to both.
www.kisorganics.com www.kisorganics.com
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I've used peat and coco for years. Surrounded by onion "Michigan muck farms" peat my whole life. Coco breaks the peat up and prevents hard caking. Peat makes great earthen dwellings"bricks".
 
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guhman2002

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PadawanWarrior said:
They are 2 totally different mediums. I've heard reasons why not to mix them. I can't remember exactly but it was something about the CEC being different and the coco kinda wanting to fight over nutes with the peat. Personally I'm a fan of peat. I even use that in my worm bin instead of coco like most people. I'm no expert though.
www.kisorganics.com

Peat vs Coco Coir

This can be a hotly debated topic among growers as to what's the best media for growing plants. In this article, I'll weigh in with my opinion on the subject as there are Pros and Cons to both.
www.kisorganics.com www.kisorganics.com
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got a full recipe you care to share, I’m open for anything y
 
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guhman2002

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QUESTION:
I have everything mixed dry... Do I add water and then “cook” or let it sit dry for any period of time?
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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guhman2002 said:
got a full recipe you care to share, I’m open for anything y
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I might mix all this stuff.


Bases
1) Roots Soil
2) Promix
4) FF Ocean Forest and Light Warrior
5) Perlite

Composts:
1) BU’S Blend Biodynamic (Cow)
2) Charlie’s Compost (Chicken)
3) Wiggle Worm EWC
4) GO Ancient Alaskan Humus

Go easy on the blood and alfalfa meal. They're high in N.
Ammends
1) Alfalfa Meal
2) Fish Bone Meal
3) Blood Meal
4) Kelp Meal
5) Crab Meal
6) Bone Meal
7) Green Sand
8) Oyster Shell
9) Neem Cake
10) Karanja Cake

Mineral:
2) Rock Pho’s (Epsoma)
3) Azomite
4) Gypsum
5) Down To Earth Granular Root Zone

Maybe a tiny bit of these, but I'd go really easy. You can always top dress or make a tea with them.
Guano:
1) Budswel Super Bat
2) Roots High Pho’s Bat Guano
3) Down To Earth High N Bat Guano

I'm still trying to master the whole no-till thing so I'm no expert. But the more I experiment the more I learn, that's why I was suggesting to try multiple mixes.
 
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guhman2002

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Experimental Mix #1
  • 5 Gal Pro-Mix HP
  • 5 Gal CocoGro
  • 5 Gal 1:1:1 Bu’s : EWC : Alaskan Humus
  • 1 Gal Perlite
  • 1 Cup Dolomite Lime (half gran half powder)
  • 2 Cups Chicken Manure
  • 1/4 cup Biotone (I was hesitant on this one)
  • 3/4 cup Azomite
  • 1/2 cup Kelp Meal (1 - 0.1 - 2)
  • 1/2 cup Crab Meal (4 - 3 - 0)
  • 1/2 cup Alfalfa Meal (2.5 - .5 - 2.5)
  • 1/2 cup Budswel SuperBat Guano (0 - .7 - 0)
  • 1/2 cup Neem Cake
  • 1/2 cup Karanja Cake
  • 1/2 cup Fish Bone Meal (3 - 16 - 0)
  • 1/2 cup Rock Phos
  • 1/2 cup Gypsum Powder
  • 1/2 Cup Oyster Shell
  • 1/4 Greensand
 
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guhman2002

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I think I’m Gonna try a Blood Meal mix with a Roots Base and Steer Manure.
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And then something compiled from all of your inputs.
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And then I also have the full line of BioCanna bottles nutes (BioVega, BioFlores, BioRhizo, BioBoost) ... So I might do a Fox Farm Ocean Forest run and just run the bottles with say some GO Cal/Mag and then share some Tea if it starts lacking
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Then maybe a 5th trial.

trying to dial everything in before I pop my Bodhi’s
 
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guhman2002

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Also let me know if my amounts are off (on the low side) and I can add some before wetting.

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Did I use too much Azomite??? (Mighta just read something bad lol)
 
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loco41

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guhman2002 said:
Also let me know if my amounts are off (on the low side) and I can add some before wetting.

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Did I use too much Azomite??? (Mighta just read something bad lol)
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I never used azomite personally, but I use a hefty amount of minerals when I mix up a new batch. I ended up using like 2 cups of basalt and 3/4 cup of st george black per cubic foot on the last batch of soil I mixed up. So I would think you will be ok with this amount of azomite added. (edit: the ammount you used for sure, not sure if it should be used in similar amounts as the basalt)

Only thing I would suggest bumping up is the kelp. Maybe add another 1/2 - 1 full cup of the kelp. I see a lot of mixes where people use the kelp at a 2:1 ratio compared to other amendments.

Take everything I've said with a grain of salt as I am still very new to all this as well. I can't wait to see it play out for you and wish you nothing but success though.
 
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guhman2002

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loco41 said:
I never used azomite personally, but I use a hefty amount of minerals when I mix up a new batch. I ended up using like 2 cups of basalt and 3/4 cup of st george black per cubic foot on the last batch of soil I mixed up. So I would think you will be ok with this amount of azomite added.

Only thing I would suggest bumping up is the kelp. Maybe add another 1/2 - 1 full cup of the kelp. I see a lot of mixes where people use the kelp at a 2:1 ratio compared to other amendments.

Take everything I've said with a grain of salt as I am still very new to all this as well. I can't wait to see it play out for you and wish you nothing but success though.
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Thank you, I will look into that Kelp Meal!
 
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