Newb Closet Coco Grow, 400w MH+HPS

Hey, I will by no means be laughing at the growth you've had since the last picture. Mine is light years behind yours right now...still.
Those leaves are looking wicked on the LS. I wonder why only some leaves are clawing? Regardless, they are looking super healthy.
I have the clawing problem myself...but only with the bottom fan leaves. The top leaves are fine.
I'm going to confess that the coco intimidates me. I've never had such unhealthy looking plants. These are by far the saddest plants that have ever been in my care---ever.
Along with the clawed fan leaves, the leaves are a very light green and almost translucent...papery thin. I've never seen a MJ plant look like this, LOL......and sigh.

OK thanks for the input guys. I'll nurse this current plant to harvest on mostly plain water but for the next generation I'll probably be somewhere in between the green and blue lines depending on what she looks like. I've posted my issues with this plant on another forum as well and got various explanations for the curl but my gut tells me that Mammath is right and it is just overfeeding. She's too dark green and it's definitely not a heat issue at this point. With my recent ventilation improvements my flower room is as cool as it has ever been. Someone said possible Cal def so I'll be doing plain water plus the normal amount of Sensi Cal Bloom and some Liquid Karma for now. I'll keep you guys posted because yes, the smell is very spicy and not like anything I have smelled from weed before. More like opening your grandma's spice cupboard. All the pepper and cinnamon and bay leaf smells all mixing together in an extremely pungent way.

Babs, are you still vegging the coco plants? Vegging in coco is hard for me and took a long time to figure out but flower was very easy from the start. Even ragged looking plants that I put into flower would start to blossom immediately.

do u got a grow journal for that bubbleicious in ur avatar... or did i miss it somewhere in here

mared juwan said:

OK thanks for the input guys. I'll nurse this current plant to harvest on mostly plain water but for the next generation I'll probably be somewhere in between the green and blue lines depending on what she looks like. I've posted my issues with this plant on another forum as well and got various explanations for the curl but my gut tells me that Mammath is right and it is just overfeeding. She's too dark green and it's definitely not a heat issue at this point. With my recent ventilation improvements my flower room is as cool as it has ever been. Someone said possible Cal def so I'll be doing plain water plus the normal amount of Sensi Cal Bloom and some Liquid Karma for now. I'll keep you guys posted because yes, the smell is very spicy and not like anything I have smelled from weed before. More like opening your grandma's spice cupboard. All the pepper and cinnamon and bay leaf smells all mixing together in an extremely pungent way.

Babs, are you still vegging the coco plants? Vegging in coco is hard for me and took a long time to figure out but flower was very easy from the start. Even ragged looking plants that I put into flower would start to blossom immediately.

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That feeding schedule sounds good for her mared.
Damn sativas need f*ck all feeding yet still needs the basics.

As for Babs, the coco does take some getting used to.
I hated the shit when I first started using it.
Sounds like over watering by that description of your plants.
The fine coco-coir can get real soggy if watered with little no run-off.
But like Mared said, for some reason flowering is better than vegging in the stuff.
Have you got a journal we can check them out in?

Nope Mared, I have 2 plants I've referenced to you.....the (projected) bonzai and "another."---neither of which is LS......bagseed.
The root system started off in some black gold soil.(bonzai)
I saw the coco one day in the shop and thought.......I've just gotta try this stuff. When making it, I fell in love with the stuff.....so "clean."
Plant # 2 was started in the coco. This is the one that has the pale leaves.
It is now officially in the flowering stage.......and has been for almost 30 days-----some very SORRY budding for this stage I might add.
The "bonzai plant" is looking much healthier.....although not green enough for my taste. There are a couple of sparse fan leaves that are lighter. I'm assuming this is due to under fertilizing.
I hope I will have a surprising turn of events with #2...I did just transplant.
Mammath........you're probably right on target. I likely did over water. I'm trying to adjust to coco. It seems to hang on to the moisture a little too well. I only had the run-off once. Since then, I have done the "gradual feeding/watering." I take it this is all wrong??? Forgive me, but as I have stated to Mared.......I did NOT do my HW on the coco....basically, at all.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am going to assume that I need the run-off with each feeding?...because it does not linger to the nutrients with small doses? Oh hell, I don't know......it's passive hydro, right? I need more nutes....less light feedings, yes?
And as for the journal......simply put.....I suck. I have VERY limited access to a camera to upload pictures. Ugh...too much drama involved with getting the pictures.
Alas....."one day."
Thanks for the advice.

Yea I definitely have a fair amount of runoff with every watering. It does two things for me. Lets me know I have completely soaked the medium with no remaining dry pockets and also flushes all the salt buildup and old stale water out. I think of the water in the pot kind of like bath water and after a while the plant gets it all dirty and nasty. The roots are excreting salt in there as a byproduct of nute uptake and also sucking all the oxygen and other nutes out of the water. What is left is salty stale nastiness. So you have to completely replace all that dirty filth with new clean water and the only way to do that is to have a fair amount of runoff. Or else your plant is drinking dirty bath water. Recently I've been trying to save a little $ and have been pouring about 1/4 gal plain ph'd water through the pot BEFORE my nutes. That way I know the first quarter gallon of runoff is just the old dirty water mixed with the plain water and none of my fresh nutes that I poured on top afterwards end up going straight through the pot without getting used. There's really no reason to not have runoff if you do it this way.

And you'll notice that I never say it is impossible to overwater in coco although I've seen other people say that all the time. I only water my 1 gallon pots every two or three days, even at the height of flower (this is another reason it is important for me to have runoff - my feed water sits in the pots for a few days before the next watering). While I believe it is harder to overwater in coco than soil it has happened to me before especially with younger plants that don't drink as fast. But I don't think that is your problem. If you are nuting like you would in soil then that has to be it. There is no WATER,FEED,WATER,WATER,FEED stuff with coco. I feed every time unless there is a problem like I have with the LS. Even then I will flush and give a light feed on top. Coco plants will get hungry very very quickly compared to soil without any nutes being added. There is no nutritional value in the coco whatsoever for the plant. It may as well be growing in a pot full of perlite or hydroton. I start at about 1.6ec at the beginning of flower and top out around 2.4 in weeks 4 and 5. This works awesome for every plant I have grown except the damn Lemon Skunk.

IndicaFatnHeavy said:

do u got a grow journal for that bubbleicious in ur avatar... or did i miss it somewhere in here

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It's in this journal... somwhere LOL. If memory serves me correctly (which it might not) it was mostly in the winter of last year that I was dealing with the Bubblelicious. So if you go by the dates of the posts and go back 6-8 months it should be there.

I love the analogy with the dirty bath water Mared.....that visual really did it for me.
I am going to take your advice "to the tee."
I'm also growing tomato plants for the first time in the coco....imagine that.
Let me see if I can't get a camera and show you some before/after pictures in the future after having taken your advice.
If I am actually brave enough to post them, I will have humbled myself big time, LOL.
Let's just say these plants will not be entitling me bragging rights.
I've been meaning to ask... how does that roadkill smoke? I want that strain....."just because it's pretty." But I figured some other info on it wouldn't hurt.
Which leads me to.....bring on some of your pictures!!!
....AND sending many thanks your way---that advice saved me hours of research, LOL.

Babs34 said:

I've been meaning to ask... how does that roadkill smoke? I want that strain....."just because it's pretty." But I figured some other info on it wouldn't hurt.
Which leads me to.....bring on some of your pictures!!!
....AND sending many thanks your way---that advice saved me hours of research, LOL.

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Babs, the Roadkill is amazing. Until I started the Green House plants my grow was about 80% Roadkill, 20% everything else. The smell and flavor is very strong and musty like dank old basement. But when you get a bud from the top of the plant that has had a lot of light and turned very deep purple there is a smoky meat flavor like burnt BBQ that blends with the mustiness perfectly. It's very potent but surprisingly not harsh. I have some strains that will make your lungs explode as soon as you inhale but the Roadkill is very smooth and heavy. Hard to describe but its more of a thickness to the smoke that gives your lungs a tickle as you hold it in rather than immediate choking and hacking like others. Still gets me crazy high though. But anyways what is most important IMO is the smell. You know how sometimes you get a bag and you can smell that it's really good before the bag is even opened? Roadkill definitely has that.

As far as pics I have these from two days ago.

Great White Shark





White Rhino





The Cheese





Trainwreck





Lemon Skunk





Here's the group. You can see a Roadkill in there with the leaves just starting to change color.






The power strip that is connected to my carbon filter burned out the other day and these plants stink like crazy! I thought I could wait until the next day to get a replacement but the smell was detectable outside the house within an hour so I had to go to Walmart right away

Superb looking plants mared, them great white sharks look the shizz mate

Foly Huck .... uggin fugly plants NOT ... great work man!!

mared juwan said:

The power strip that is connected to my carbon filter burned out the other day and these plants stink like crazy! I thought I could wait until the next day to get a replacement but the smell was detectable outside the house within an hour so I had to go to Walmart right away

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You could smell it outside within an hour? Shit!

That roadkill looks amazing. as usual great update

mared juwan said:

Babs, the Roadkill is amazing. Until I started the Green House plants my grow was about 80% Roadkill, 20% everything else. The smell and flavor is very strong and musty like dank old basement. But when you get a bud from the top of the plant that has had a lot of light and turned very deep purple there is a smoky meat flavor like burnt BBQ that blends with the mustiness perfectly. It's very potent but surprisingly not harsh. I have some strains that will make your lungs explode as soon as you inhale but the Roadkill is very smooth and heavy. Hard to describe but its more of a thickness to the smoke that gives your lungs a tickle as you hold it in rather than immediate choking and hacking like others. Still gets me crazy high though. But anyways what is most important IMO is the smell. You know how sometimes you get a bag and you can smell that it's really good before the bag is even opened? Roadkill definitely has that.

As far as pics I have these from two days ago.

Great White Shark

White Rhino

The Cheese

Trainwreck

Lemon Skunk

Here's the group. You can see a Roadkill in there with the leaves just starting to change color.

The power strip that is connected to my carbon filter burned out the other day and these plants stink like crazy! I thought I could wait until the next day to get a replacement but the smell was detectable outside the house within an hour so I had to go to Walmart right away

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Damn mared, I'm bump'n these babies.
Wonderful display of growing. Just beautiful.

On a side note I'm sure it was you who once mentioned about growing a companion plant to get rid of gnats?
Was that you?

Great looking buds mate

that lemon skunk is so bare d:\ i'd clone something different than that particular one, besides that every other plant looks mmmmmAzing

Yea Jerry I was surprised about the smell being outside so quickly. And for the record I can't smell the plants very well at all. I am so used to being around them that I can't really smell it except when I first walk into the growroom or stick my nose on a plant. The other day when the carbon filter was off it was actually my friend who came over to visit that smelled it outside. He said he was walking up the driveway and it hit him in the face like a ton of bricks. He said it was ten times stronger once he got inside the house but usually he can't smell it at all. He didn't know my carbon filter had stopped working. I was like "PHUCK!!!!" and we went to Walmart right then. Actually the fact that it is so stinky makes me very happy. The stinkier plants are always the best.

Mammath, the companion plant you are talking about are sundews. I still have them. I got them more for entertainment/aesthetic value to watch them kill those little gnats. Imagine a cactus sort of plant that has trichomes like weed on it but even more sticky. When the gnat gets stuck to the trichomes the leaf will slowly fold up to surround the gnat. A couple days later it opens back up and there's no more gnat! It's actually helped way more than I expected. The sticky trichomes are supposed to have a chemical that attracts the bugs and these babies can catch ten or more a day each. I don't see near as many flying gnats around but their numbers seem to fluctuate periodically so it might not be totally due to the sundews. Apparently it is even possible to clone these sundew plants so you wouldn't have to buy each one. They're $8 each at my local nursery so that would save a lot of cash. Check out your local nursery, I bet they have them. Mine had a whole variety of plants like this. There was another cool one called an Asian Bucket plant. It had a bucket with a tiny lid and is supposed to attract the bugs into the bucket and shut the door on em. Then they had the standard venus flytraps too.

Skitzo, I rooted three clones of each strain but ended up only having space for one of each. The Lemon Skunk is definitely pissing me off at the moment and I've been debating just trashing the clone and maybe trying one of the other beans from the sativa mix pack. I still have Arjan's Haze #1, Strawberry Haze, Neville's Haze, and Hawaiian Snow. Having trouble deciding which to do.

mared juwan said:

Mammath, the companion plant you are talking about are sundews. I still have them. I got them more for entertainment/aesthetic value to watch them kill those little gnats. Imagine a cactus sort of plant that has trichomes like weed on it but even more sticky. When the gnat gets stuck to the trichomes the leaf will slowly fold up to surround the gnat. A couple days later it opens back up and there's no more gnat! It's actually helped way more than I expected. The sticky trichomes are supposed to have a chemical that attracts the bugs and these babies can catch ten or more a day each. I don't see near as many flying gnats around but their numbers seem to fluctuate periodically so it might not be totally due to the sundews. Apparently it is even possible to clone these sundew plants so you wouldn't have to buy each one. They're $8 each at my local nursery so that would save a lot of cash. Check out your local nursery, I bet they have them. Mine had a whole variety of plants like this. There was another cool one called an Asian Bucket plant. It had a bucket with a tiny lid and is supposed to attract the bugs into the bucket and shut the door on em. Then they had the standard venus flytraps too.

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Hey thanks Mared.
I'm gonna head down the nursery on the weekend and check 'em out.
There's heaps of different species and I can always get seeds off ebay if I can't find seedlings.
Last grow was the first time I've ever had a problem with the little buggers.
I used some hypoaspis which kept numbers down but still didn't totally get rid of them.
Plus the hypos were really expensive.
I've bleached everything down so I may not even have the same trouble next go round but those little shitters really love moist coco.
I'd like to put some of those sundews in just for preventative measures anyway.
I think a few of them in a confined space should work wonders.
Thanks again for the info mate.

mared of all the greenhouse strains you have which is the fastest biggest one? the great white?

I'm loving the way the LS is coming along.
Thanks to both you and Mammath for bringing up the sundew plant....damn Mared, you should of shared that one with me while I was getting neurotic about those gnats a few weeks back.
I've never seen a plant like that in any of my local garden shops.

man'o'man'o'man .... wowzzaaa! wowzzaa! wowzzaaa!! yes I have to say everything three times ... its that Peruvian latin South American thingy in me ... hahahaha! oh and by-the-way .... you're out of tissues .... and there's still a mess to clean up .... but .... ummm ... srryy!