New to LED..couple questions

nc208 said:

It only looks like that if you ignore every other word I wrote. Geez your thick in the head. I don't consider meth to be good shit.

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Danielson999 said:

"the kind of weed we would all like to consume" refers to quality. There is no light being built on these forums or by Timber, HLG or any other vendor that grows a better 'quality' of weed than Kind LED or even Mars for that matter. Photons are photons. The "weed we would all like to consume" is grown through great genetics and grow skills, not your light.

One other thing, if someone was "following the crowd" they would be using a Kind LED. There are probably thousands upon thousands more Kind LED lights being used than there are cob lights or QB's.
There is nothing wrong with using Kind LED, Fluence or any other light manufacturer other than some offer a better value for the money. For example certain lights use better components that will last longer, be more efficient and have better warranties.

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Danielson999 said:

What I said is not wrong in any way. Anybody growing weed will use a light that is meant for growing weed. Nobody is going to go out and buy incandescent bulbs for growing weed right? The reason that our lights are the least important part of our grow (for quality) is because all growers use lights that have most of the spectrum we require to grow our plants.

This isn't about 'how much' weed a light will grow, it's about quality. Your light will not make a difference on the quality of your bud. You can and will get great bud from any of the light technologies. The limiting factors are your genetics and your growing skills. PHOTONS ARE PHOTONS.
If you give identical plants the same amount of photons from cfl's, t5's, cobs, strips or hid's, you'll get basically identical quality bud every single time. Which is why I will say it again, photons are photons.

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Danielson999 said:

What I said is not wrong in any way. Anybody growing weed will use a light that is meant for growing weed. Nobody is going to go out and buy incandescent bulbs for growing weed right? The reason that our lights are the least important part of our grow (for quality) is because all growers use lights that have most of the spectrum we require to grow our plants.

This isn't about 'how much' weed a light will grow, it's about quality. Your light will not make a difference on the quality of your bud. You can and will get great bud from any of the light technologies. The limiting factors are your genetics and your growing skills. PHOTONS ARE PHOTONS.
If you give identical plants the same amount of photons from cfl's, t5's, cobs, strips or hid's, you'll get basically identical quality bud every single time. Which is why I will say it again, photons are photons.

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Budies 101 said:

Yes but some lights are better at creating light for the plant than others... You can buy a cheap light but you get far less growability with that light VS a high end led or HPS or whatever light.

I'm not sure why this is being debated, photons are photons, sure, ok... But it's about taking the watt from the wall and creating usable light by the plant, efficiently... You can buy a 200watt "crap" led and a 200watt high end 200watt lm561c led light and one will turn more of the watts into light that grows plants and the other will create less light for growth and instead create more heat.

I built my first led lights in the same grow that I bought some platinum led lights... The difference is huge... No one would be growing with PCB's or 3590's if 3-5$ blurple cobs did just as good. You're argument suggests that a 160$ Phillips DE is going to grow the same as a 30$ no name DE light bulb. No... Or we would all be growing with 150$ lights with no reason to ever change, but people want better quality, so we use better tools to get there.

Maybe I'm wrong =)

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Dave455 said:

Shows you how some companies made a killing before some of the new white came along offered by Timber, HLG, etc.

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dandyrandy said:

Bout a pound

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nfhiggs said:

Two more weeks.

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Stone_Free said:

And you say I'm talking junk......

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SAMMYB913 said:

My friend grew 4 strains w/ Kind 1000 & a 1000 w cool tube comparison , nice 6 foot beauties & it was all killer & giant nugs, he liked em so much he bought 2 more Kind 1000 but that's the difference between being able to afford it or not , from what I understand Black Dog is the top of the line if you have $2000-$3000 to drop on a light.

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Stone_Free said:

Yeah perhaps.....the point I was trying to get over is that if a person wants to know what light they should use then they can look at what the growers here are using and use the same.There's no need to spend $2-3k on a light. The quality of the grows with, for example, HLG or Samsung/Bridgelux strips proves this. Either of those options will cost considerably less than $2-3k and assuming the genetics/growers skill are good then the result will be very good too.

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GBAUTO said:

Will the KIND grow dank??? Sure it will, and if you just want to get a plug and play option then go for it.
BUT, if you are like alot of folks who want to get the biggest bang for each of my hard earned dollars, then there are many other options that will annihilate the KIND in performance/$. Plenty of threads with all types of DIY fixtures and results-EXPLORE THEM.

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