New Mexico WIPP leaking plutonium in atmosphere

Gaikokujin

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Collected all the data I found in couple days.

It does not look and the officials do not seems to know how much the release is and what is hepning ATM inside the facility.

I would suggest to stay indoors if you live nearby, just as precaution. No fear-mongering, just basic sense of reasoning.

http://justpaste.it/ejs9
 
Hmmm...Strange stuff. And it's getting low coverage, that's for sure. The 'event' happened two weeks ago, and this is the first I've heard about it.
 
Well, VICE news has caught the story:

[video=youtube;fQ_kzQzUgjg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ_kzQzUgjg[/video]
 
On 28. day they changed their statement into " likely at very low levels ". Also now the original three weeks have changed into many months to stop the leak. There is no statement what caused the leak and what is the status of the nuclear accident.

New test results reveal that the air filter "my have not been working". The gov is busted for lying the leak!

CEMRC Ambient Air Sampling Results (pdf), Feb. 27, 2014:
109 Yards NW of WIPP Exhaust Shaft — Sample time Feb. 11-18

  • Pu239+240: 0.115 Bq per sample [39 times the highest activity ever detected since testing began in 1997, which was 0.004 Bq per sample]
  • Pu238: 0.004 Bq per sample [Never detected since testing began in 1997]
  • Am241: 1.3 Bq per sample [2600 times the highest activity ever detected since testing began in 1997, which was 0.0005 Bq per sample]"CEMRC director Russell Hardy discussed the normal levels during the resident meeting earlier this week in Carlsbad: “I just want to reiterate, normally we do see ‘0’. For my radio-chemists, ‘0’ is not good enough. I don’t know how they balance a check book, because they don’t stop until they get to eight zeroes past the decimal point — that’s normally what we see.”This means a normal reading is at most 0.000000009 Bq per sample — making the recent Pu239+240 sample equal to 12,777,778 times higher than normal, and the Am241 sample 144,444,444 times normal levels."

Corporate media states, that these facts "spark conspiracy theories." I just wonder, what really here is a conspiracy when the gov is busted for lying all the time? It really isnt a big secret anymore, what game they play.

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1.3. comes out new info, these quotes are surprisingly from corporate media which now seems to be taking this issue into publicity:

"Investigators now admit that the problem is serious […] a container of radioactive waste leaked underground at the WIPP [...] they admit it’s too soon to tell how dangerous it could be for those exposed. […] A piece of salt is believed to have fallen from a cavern ceiling and crushed drums of waste [...] the most likely scenario is that a huge chunk of salt fell from the ceiling and ruptured a drum or multiple drums of waste. [...] Nobody knows exactly what happened. That’s one of the strange things about this [...] Unfortunately, nobody can go underground to find out what’s happened. [...] plutonium and americium, which if lodged in the body bombards internal organs with subatomic particles for the rest of the person’s lifetime."

Also the gov is now "re-analyzing" the samples. I think they are just playing time. Soon they will say "they are very sorry" like TEPCO when their measurements were "acidentally" ten or hundred folds wrong.
 
What's particularly pernicious about this is the potential for more fires down below.
It's not like everything will go boom, but that type of radioactivity spreading on the winds is bad news for the North East US.
 
OK now this is interesting piece of evidence. Seems like they ordered 1200 radiation suits to Albuquerque on Feb 20.

It seems they know very well how bad the situation is at WIPP.. Too bad they dont want to tell you but are preparing for the worse themself!

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...60b83f6ee74472ac9f02a174096&tab=core&_cview=0

You do know that even gamma radiation cannot penetrate very far into a rocky environment. right? Radiation suits are beneficial for those who are trying to contain a leak. but not necessarily required for people that are a few feet above it when there's dirt in the way. There may be legitimate concerns, but not until an aquifer is risking exposure to the actual radioactive elements. Radiation suits cannot protect against ingestion.
 
I remember having an argument with carne a while ago about how new mexico is a shit hole.

Totally forgot that it's America's radioactive waste dumping ground.

YAY carlsbad caverns!



But really, this is nothing when compared to the Kirtland AFB fuel leak that was going for ~50 years.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirtland_Air_Force_Base[h=4]Jet fuel spill
[/h]In 1999, after the opening of a new bulk-fuel-storage facility at the base, a jet fuel leak was discovered from a broken 16-inch pipe. It was later learned that the pipe had been leaking fuel undetected since 1950. The Air Force initially estimated that pipe leaked roughly between 1 and 2 million US gallons (3,800 and 7,600 m[SUP]3[/SUP]) of jet fuel in that 49-year span. However, state environmental officials believe the number may be as high as 24 million US gallons (91,000 m[SUP]3[/SUP]), which could make the spill more than twice the size of the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill in Prince William Sound, Alaska.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirtland_Air_Force_Base#cite_note-7[/SUP] The escaped jet fuel is now floating a foot thick atop Albuquerque's water table 500 ft beneath the ground and is moving towards the municipal wells that supply the city's drinking water. There are no approved plans for remediation of either the liquid or the dissolved portion of the jet fuel plume. New Mexico officials estimated the cleanup could cost $100 million and have maintained that the Air Force's original plan to clean up the spill could take 56 years.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirtland_Air_Force_Base#cite_note-8[/SUP]
 
Rarely is the word “plutonium” published in a major news source without the adjective “deadly” nearby. Ralph Nader, noted activist and lawyer, once claimed that plutonium was “the most toxic substance known to mankind.”......................................................


Accidental Ingestion Studied


During the Manhattan Project in 1944 and 1945, 26 men accidentally ingested plutonium in quantities that far exceeded what is now considered to be a lethal dose. Since there has been a consistent interest in the health effects of this brand new substance (first discovered by Glenn Seaborg’s team at the University of California in 1940), these men were closely tracked for medical studies.
Forty Years Later

As of 1987, more than four decades later, only four of the workers had died and only one death was caused by cancer. The expected number of deaths in a random sample of men the age of those in the group is 10. The expected number of deaths from cancer in a similar group is between two and three.

The sample size is quite small; even during a crash wartime program, people normally handle plutonium with extreme care. Even people who work directly with the material in a manufacturing process that involves grinding and shaping can be adequately protected.

It is, of course, possible that the differences between expected deaths and actual deaths is just a statistical aberration. With small sample sizes, it is likely that large variations in mortality rate will be seen.

It has to be considered important, however, to know that at least 22 men have been able to live more than 40 years after ingesting “the most toxic substance known to man.” It should make one question the motives and accuracy of Ralph Nader, a public figure who has actively promoted such an obviously inaccurate statement.


http://atomicinsights.com/how-deadly-plutonium/


True?

Not true?
 
[h=2]Toxicity and health effects[/h] Despite being toxic both chemically and because of its ionising radiation, plutonium is far from being "the most toxic substance on Earth" or so hazardous that "a speck can kill". On both counts there are substances in daily use that, per unit of mass, have equal or greater chemical toxicity (arsenic, cyanide, caffeine) and radiotoxicity (smoke detectors).
There are three principal routes by which plutonium can get into human beings who might be exposed to it:

  • Ingestion.
  • Contamination of open wounds.
  • Inhalation.

Ingestion
is not a significant hazard, because plutonium passing through the gastro-intestinal tract is poorly absorbed and is expelled from the body before it can do harm.

Contamination of wounds has rarely occurred although thousands of people have worked with plutonium. Their health has been protected by the use of remote handling, protective clothing and extensive health monitoring procedures.

The main threat to humans comes from inhalation. While it is very difficult to create airborne dispersion of a heavy metal like plutonium, certain forms, including the insoluble plutonium oxide, at a particle size less than 10 microns (0.01 mm), are a hazard. If inhaled, much of the material is immediately exhaled or is expelled by mucous flow from the bronchial system into the gastro-intestinal tract, as with any particulate matter. Some however will be trapped and readily transferred, first to the blood or lymph system and later to other parts of the body, notably the liver and bones. It is here that the deposited plutonium's alpha radiation may eventually cause cancer.


However, the hazard from Pu-239 is similar to that from any other alpha-emitting radionuclides which might be inhaled. It is less hazardous than those which are short-lived and hence more radioactive, such as radon daughters, the decay products of radon gas, which (albeit in low concentrations) are naturally common and widespread in the environment.


In the 1940s some 26 workers at US nuclear weapons facilities became contaminated with plutonium. Intensive health checks of these people have revealed no serious consequence and no fatalities that could be attributed to the exposure. In the 1990s plutonium was injected into and inhaled by some volunteers, without adverse effects. In the 1950s Queen Elizabeth II was visiting Harwell and was handed a lump of plutonium (presumably Pu-239) in a plastic bag and invited to feel how warm it was.

Plutonium is one among many toxic materials that have to be handled with great care to minimise the associated but well understood risks.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Nuclear-Fuel-Cycle/Fuel-Recycling/Plutonium/

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It's kind of funny they mention Radon. I am just finishing a lab report on some experiments I performed with Thallium 204 and Radon (which we collected from the basement of the labs).
I certainly wore no protection :lol:
But the daughter products of Thallium are short lived and fizzle out after a few centimeters in the air. I checked myself with the geiger counter before and after, and I'm not even getting a 'click'.
The more interesting part was when I put some cigs I had in my backpack in front of the geiger... 'click'...'click'.
Really LOW level activity (barely noticeable above background radiation) but it was there.
I should try sticking some weed in front of it.
 
Vice News, I must check in frequently. Thanks.

Vice News is new for me, too. I just stumbled upon it about a week ago.
My only question is, "who's funding them"? It's not like The Real News Network, which is viewer funded.
But so far, the reports I've seen have been relatively neutral. Just the facts, ma'am.
So if there is any bias, I haven't figured it out, yet.
 
OK now this is interesting piece of evidence. Seems like they ordered 1200 radiation suits to Albuquerque on Feb 20.

It seems they know very well how bad the situation is at WIPP.. Too bad they dont want to tell you but are preparing for the worse themself!

http://fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d90ce60b83f6ee74472ac9f02a174096&tab=core&_cview=0

Also now it is instead "no danger" of this: "the department is not 100 percent certain, but is pretty sure the surrounding population centers are safe."

Pretty sure? They say their priority is to protect the peope. Then why they dont tell people to stay indoors when its confirmed that plutonium is leaking out of the facility? Instead, they are only protecting the industry and lying!
 
Vice News is new for me, too. I just stumbled upon it about a week ago.
My only question is, "who's funding them"? It's not like The Real News Network, which is viewer funded.
But so far, the reports I've seen have been relatively neutral. Just the facts, ma'am.
So if there is any bias, I haven't figured it out, yet.

Have you ever seen, The Naked News. Goes down quite easily. :)
 
Isn't this one of those "safe forever" salt mine stores? Hmmmm.....? Forever turned out to be not very long.

Nukes are Evil.
 
Vice News is new for me, too. I just stumbled upon it about a week ago.
My only question is, "who's funding them"? It's not like The Real News Network, which is viewer funded.
But so far, the reports I've seen have been relatively neutral. Just the facts, ma'am.
So if there is any bias, I haven't figured it out, yet.

me too, i've never heard of this..funding? hmmmmmmm let's seee..i'll find out if i can.

EDIT: whoa! i just checked that place out..i'm hooked!..thanks for keeping it real:wink:
 
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