New Grow Room Design All Led grow need alittle help

Ok, I have a space 10ft L by 4 Ft wide by 8 Ft high fully enclosed no exhaust. open the door 2ft space for storage, ( just to be DL) then another door that opens to grow area, 7ft x4x8 then a small veg room. 3ftx4x8 2 sets of 10 plants, 10 plant harvest every 30 days. With clones and moms in veg room. For lighting we have 4x 90 w UFO's tri band spectrum 2 ufos per 10 plants. oh, yea a few cfls to close in the gaps, and some 15 watt leds panels for side light. I will be using a Carbon Filter system that recirculates the air inside the room. I will be growing BArneys Farm LSD , Reserva Privada the 18 OG Kush, GreenHouse Great White Shark, Green House Hawaiian Snow, Pineapple Express by G 13. Ok So first questions is, how to make sure the door seals correctly with no leaks? Second, Since there is no outside air flow will the room need to have Co2 pumped in ? Or will there be enough to sustain great growing conditon with just the recirculated air? ( Really want to hold off on the Co2 for now if i can). And just one last thing, heat should not be an issue for this grow, have something similar now tent style though, always perfect temp 76 degrees and about 55 % humidity, but in the case that something happens and the temp rises what do i do to combat this. Please all advise and ideas are totally acceptable to me just want to hear what you have to say about them and anything helpful on the strains i am using of any info at all is awsome, they have about 2-3 weeks before flower for first set of 10 plants

Um...I don't know much about LED lighting systems, but I'm thinking that (2) 90 watt panels for 10 plants is by FAR not enough light? 15 watt side lighting isn't really a whole lot more either.....how big are you planning on growing these plants?

If you want to seal your room up better, there's a million options. Duct tape, silicone sealer, etc. Look around at Home Depot/Lowes for weather stripping. That can help you seal up some gaps.

You NEED circulating air. Don't try to reuse stale air, you're just going to suffocate your plants. Get them as much fresh air in and stale air out as you can.

Be prepared to deal with high temps. I use cfls and despite a lot of peoples claims of "cfls are good for lower temps", my closet regularly runs 95 degrees, even with adequate ventilation. Should this happen to you, your best bet is to run a small air conditioner. Finally got around to buying a timer for my A/C just today actually

Thanks for not making me go first...

-400 watts is still 400 watts no matter how you use it...The laws of thermodynamics apply to closets, too.

-Sealed immediately means Co2 and A/C

otherwise, you will need at least one powerful blower, not just 250cfm inline, to bring in air.

You blew your stack on genetics, which is what most of us probably did for our first grow.

I guarantee that your environment is going to grow frustratingly out of control, very fast.

And, to boot,
you don't have nearly enough light, even at practically a ufo per foot.

Maybe, but probably not. You'll have to get them pretty close to the tops...

Over a hundred watts of cfl's will help.

Good luck bro,

Go check this out.

Hey guys, so this is not my first grow with the ufo's last grow was two ufo's on 8 plants, and i harvest about 26 grams per plant dried weight, so im not worried about that, just questions about the room set up. I know there are alot of peoples out there are still haters about the led thing that is fine, for me it worked great in a tent set up had no problems no heat issues and no exhaust. I understand that the tent set up is not air tight but the room we just built is, so can i do natural co2 instead of tanks? Common sense told me also that a sealed room needs have an exhaust system but why do people on this site continually use sealed rooms with no ventilation except for the lights? And still any info on low cost Co2?

so how much did the a/c unit cost and what is it?

yourboylex said:

so how much did the a/c unit cost and what is it?

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.. Sell those lights back contact treeth and get yourself some real LED's.. He will show you the way if you really want to go LEDS.. LEDS are more for side lighting/ secondary lighting unless you have a crazy amount of power. No offence but those UFO's are garbage, first of all hook it up to a kill-a-watt and you will see its not even 90 watts, ive done it myself as i have one. I also have a 120W triband panel and two 50W panels, im waiting on my green LED hat for nighttime.

hehe I want one of those!.

Natural co2 will work fine actually, born2killspam is knowledgeable about that...

The right kind of indoor ac is a "dual hose" indoor unit.

I go tone on clist for a hundred bucks, 9,000 btu's.

I read 4,500btu's per 1000 watts or something?

I personally think its more than that...

Oh, and I aint a hater I'm a lover...

Got two, well they're trees now, flowering under 940 watts of dees.

Treeth said:

hehe I want one of those!.

Natural co2 will work fine actually, born2killspam is knowledgeable about that...

The right kind of indoor ac is a "dual hose" indoor unit.

I go tone on clist for a hundred bucks, 9,000 btu's.

I read 4,500btu's per 1000 watts or something?

I personally think its more than that...

Oh, and I aint a hater I'm a lover...

Got two, well they're trees now, flowering under 940 watts of dees.

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Hey thanks for getting back to me this is really good info so as you say, what is the perfect led set up for me ? Really interested in what you have to say treeth seems you know ur sh*t

There is no perfect led set up.

Not for what we do, that is...

But the best thing to do, always, is to simply employ as much amperage (V*A=W) as possible. Unfortunately, all the grow lights currently on the market use 3mm leds, which is pretty old stuff... they have that iconic shape. Newer, surface mounted leds, are markedly improved, offering much greater lumens.

In lights such as yours, the manufacturers have simply thrown as many, low power (low lumen) leds as they can fit. The benefit is, those leds are probably worth less than a cent coming out of the manufacturer,... and they can say 90W and whatever...

At some point, someone had taken their ufo apart, and grabbed the name of the OEM, for the leds, it was something bright...

My point is though, the specs for those dees aren't avaliable to the public. Which means... It's not something they want people to know, and its not because they're awesome.

The perfect set up, in my mind, uses just as many watts per foot as an HPS, using dees whose frequency (nm range), is as close as possible to the photosynthetic, um, points of highest effeciency/efficacy at 660nm red and 430nm blu?

AND, those leds are to be placed as close as possible to the plant tops, the points of light as close as possible; to make up for the less than inspiring lumen ratings... Which means a lot of ufo's for a full size grow.

You have 4?

What I'd do now I had them at my disposal...

put all 4 on an area of 2 by 2, the ufp's are look to be about a square foot big, maybe a little gap in between. Then fill that area up as densly as you can sog style (3,4 plants per sq foot), side light the shit out of it, and maybe you'll get some truly nice colas. Maybe you can go with less, I just doubt it. Like apoco said, they don't do 90 watts. Its probably closer to 60W... Thats what a 1K hps puts down per foot on a 4x4 table.

I have yet to see anyone use ufo's like that... If they weren't priced "Out of this World!" you could do that for your whole grow, straight down the side of your 7 feet.

Maybe a ufo per 2 square feet, and fill in the gaps with decent cfl's. Actually in sog that hits your quota of 2 ufos per ten plants, 5 colas in a square foot~ aint too bad, although master sogger memeber gypsy bush averages 3 per foot, which would fit under the ufo nicely.

4 foot wide is really gonna suck though dude. That isn't much room to maneuver in. Knock shit down for as much room as possible. You could air cool it without much difficulty, drawing air in from your ante-room.

Speaking about environment,

I think its not to far out to say, that this is the hardest part of the grow, especially cause you can never know, and even when you do, it can still elude your control.

I do like sealed. It's a little more expensive to start up, but that indoor dual hose stuff is awesome. Most even act as a dehumidifier.

Co2 set ups are expensive, but if you're sealed you can go the natural route, or just wait. The A/C is more important. The A/C will be able to fight the heat put off by your couple hundred watts. What people with HPS's do is to have the lights "outside" the room (just like your intestine is "outside") through the use of ducting, special hoods, high static pressure blowers, and bowel movements.

You really have to go in and test it asap to get it ready, cause eliminating stress is the best thing you can do, which means controlling everything.

Going hydro at some point will also help out greatly.

You have a ton of plants though...

-Have you selected mums yet?

It's gonna be messy till you do, and you're never gonna know which phenos are the best till you see it through.

Idk, this first round, do the density you think will work, find your mums,

and then plant 4 or 5 cuttings per ufo, keep the tops even, and bring that shit in as close as possible, with plenty of side lighting.

Should be alright, but what you got is a pretty small size grow, and I think everyone here also had the ambition of a setup greater than what they had to settle with to start. In a year or two you might be able to really use all those plants you got.

A 600W HPS, vented like I said, would cover the space left over handily though. Just more shit to deal with.

-How did that first grow go? You grew out only one plant correct?

Good luck dude. A lot more work ahead of you, not much coasting.

Let it Ride!

Peace.

First grow went exceptionally well, after a few years away from growing I read up on this led stuff somewhere thought it would be a good thing to look into so anyways just finished 3 plants, started from seed that I got from a friend just some high end chronic bag seed , no genetics or anything. Started with 8 had 4 males and a hermi ended up with about 26 grams per plant. Used 2 tri band ufo's in a 4x4x6 tent for flower. With fox farms grow bloom tiger bloom and 3 pack cha ching beastie boys open sesame . Oh yea and like 6 15 watt led panels for side light. They grew well took 70 days flower and 7 weeks in veg let them get alittle to tall though before topping them. I had little to no problem with that set up and i feel that 26 grams per plant was pretty good. I was actually suprized. Obviously to some standards 26 grams a plant isn't nearly large enough yeild but i thought it was a great place to start. Figured with some tweaking it could work out very well. By the way I love the imput you are giving me and I would like it if you can keep it coming. Thanks again treeth

yeah.

270 watts, 78 grams

.3 grams per watt isn't spectacular

You can do worse. Its just diminishing returns on your dollar in exchange for novelty.

What I was imagining before was something way closer to a gram per watt, which is a reasonable standard for seasoned growers on their second or third round with a perticular system.

Still, with the 4 ufo's you have, you could cover 5 feet, which is a good chunk of that wall you have, supplementing the gaps of course...

and plant 3, maybe 4 cuts a foot, so 15 to 20 plant capacity aint too bad, and they will be something close to adequately lit,

and this is close to your planned rotation,

just half of what you expected- (15-20/3)=4~6 plants every thirty days, reasonably expecting around an ounce to two O's or more per group when you get good, go hydro, and improve the "environment" with controlled everything,

I think you should start hydro.

4 DWC 5 gallon buckets, which are a foot in diameter,

4 plants per bucket,

and one ufo per bucket.

Modular. easier, cleaner, more manageable.

4 way rotation, with 4 different strains? 8 ounces every 90 days harvesting at 4 different times...

thats not bad. Hell, if you wanted to add a 5th bucket, just give it cfl's only, i.e. keep the cfl's on the "youngest" bucket. It wouldn't hurt the yeild at all. Give the immature one only Cfl's untill they stop the flower stretch, and then hopefully drive flowering with the ufo's.

Its like the rotation mentioned above, except the supplemental cfls are moved to the one group, at a time when it really makes no difference.

That would be cool... Work, but cool. Not too hard once it gets going if you keep it modular like that.

Fuck.

It's the limitations that make you creative.

So, 5 buckets, 5 harvests in 90days or whatever, maybe a half O per plant, so 2 Oz per bucket, x5, is 10 ounces. Thats cool.

The thing about the cfl bucket-

I think it would work, because what, it takes 3 weeks before thy stop the stretch? You would actually would be moving the buckets up faster than that. With 5 buckets you would harvest around every 18 days, so it could work.

Genetics could fuck that up though with a longer flower time.

Still,

10*28(g/Oz) 280 grams for that 270 in led plus a bunch of cfl, like over a hundred watts,

.75 g/W

That is not a bad goal.

It won't happen,

but maybe it could!

It'll probably take hydro and Co2 and temp control and experience.

Ha.

Peace.

Treeth said:

yeah.

270 watts, 78 grams

.3 grams per watt isn't spectacular

You can do worse. Its just diminishing returns on your dollar in exchange for novelty.

What I was imagining before was something way closer to a gram per watt, which is a reasonable standard for seasoned growers on their second or third round with a perticular system.

Still, with the 4 ufo's you have, you could cover 5 feet, which is a good chunk of that wall you have, supplementing the gaps of course...

and plant 3, maybe 4 cuts a foot, so 15 to 20 plant capacity aint too bad, and they will be something close to adequately lit,

and this is close to your planned rotation,

just half of what you expected- (15-20/3)=4~6 plants every thirty days, reasonably expecting around an ounce to two O's or more per group when you get good, go hydro, and improve the "environment" with controlled everything,

I think you should start hydro.

4 DWC 5 gallon buckets, which are a foot in diameter,

4 plants per bucket,

and one ufo per bucket.

Modular. easier, cleaner, more manageable.

4 way rotation, with 4 different strains? 8 ounces every 90 days harvesting at 4 different times...

thats not bad. Hell, if you wanted to add a 5th bucket, just give it cfl's only, i.e. keep the cfl's on the "youngest" bucket. It wouldn't hurt the yeild at all. Give the immature one only Cfl's untill they stop the flower stretch, and then hopefully drive flowering with the ufo's.

Its like the rotation mentioned above, except the supplemental cfls are moved to the one group, at a time when it really makes no difference.

That would be cool... Work, but cool. Not too hard once it gets going if you keep it modular like that.

Fuck.

It's the limitations that make you creative.

So, 5 buckets, 5 harvests in 90days or whatever, maybe a half O per plant, so 2 Oz per bucket, x5, is 10 ounces. Thats cool.

The thing about the cfl bucket-

I think it would work, because what, it takes 3 weeks before thy stop the stretch? You would actually would be moving the buckets up faster than that. With 5 buckets you would harvest around every 18 days, so it could work.

Genetics could fuck that up though with a longer flower time.

Still,

10*28(g/Oz) 280 grams for that 270 in led plus a bunch of cfl, like over a hundred watts,

.75 g/W

That is not a bad goal.

It won't happen,

but maybe it could!

It'll probably take hydro and Co2 and temp control and experience.

Ha.

Peace.

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We'll going hydro is probably going to be my best bet, im probably gonna do another round in dirt just to get thru it first . what is the set up like for that and how much time is needed to be spent per day? Any info on that would be great also, you are just full of useful info for me right now thanks again treeth Oh yea and treeth the water that comes out of a/c unit can that be used as water for the plants?

Hey treeth how do I use the a/c in a sealed room it says that it needs to be exhausted out of the room?

Yes,

If you find an "indoor unit", there are models, but not all models, advertised as being "dual hose" or "dual vent".

These pull in air, from outside the room, abuse it and make it really hot, and then push it out an other tube, hopefully outside the room...

The"Tubes" are not very long, each are maybe just over 4 feet... I had to run additional ducting.

>This kind of unit uses external air to cool itself, and keeps that waste air external, and only cools the air in the room, much like a window unit does.

... AC water should be almost distilled quality I believe!

Yes though, do soil for this first round, no question about that.

A hydro system can be as high performance as you want,

but generally, a system of connected containers and a reservoir, which recirculates, and mechanically aerates a nutrient solution.

Its minimal maintenance once it works, but it'll take you a couple grows with it to be at that point,

The most work is draining and refilling the res. However, if you have a release valve on the bottom somewhere, you can easily drain the system from a hose to a drain, or just use a pump for this purpose...

Go check out user Earl 's aero grows. Very good DIY.

Thats what worries me. I too have an all led grow tent and I dont want to wait no 7 plus 70 for yeild. I have seen little to no growth on our first week. My buddy got his clones a week before mine and threw them in 3 gal buckets and thew em outside. If I go over to see his and they are double the size of mine, I swear im going to junk these leds!!!

Nothing can replace or come close to natural light from growing outdoors. The next best thing would be MH/HPS, then after that I probably wouldn't mess with it. The thought of using LED's is intriguing. I came across a seasoned grower and he was using LED's and he told me he wouldn't go back to HID lights because of the results he was getting with the LED's. He showed me some pictures of the grow and those LED's did produce a good amount, but he also owned a hydro shop and was probably using an ass load of LED's, he didn't tell me how many he used and the pics didn't show that either. Still, I highly doubt I would go with LEDs unless they make a HUGE jump in technology.