New Ca legislation an end to the black market.

Where is the industry headed?

  • Corporate marijuana

    Votes: 9 75.0%

  • Family run farms

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  • Urban unground grows

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Digital_life

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This thread is about discussing the topic of California's new legislation that takes effect today. New licenses that will be released for commercial grows, dispensaries, nurseries and delivery services. Everything is going to be tracked now from seed to retail sales completely. So where does that leave farmers and collectives that miss out on getting licenses to continue in the trade? Will the underground sells of medical marijuana disappear with it being highly accessible from licensed resources? Will the cost per lb drop signifently? After the end of prohibition with alcohol, the moonshine market disappeared almost overnight. Leaving moonshiners broke with no market for their product, due to legal readily supplied whiskey and other alcohol. Will the marijuana market fall to the same resolve? Will major corporations take over this industry? Let's discuss and see where we believe things will go.
 
70's natureboy

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I don't see readily available quality weed coming from corporations. People that love weed will buy it from somebody that knows how to produce high quality smoke. Everybody will know a "guy" that has better weed tax free; at least until the next generation comes along that is brought up on mediocre corporate weed.
 
Digital_life

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Most of the growers I know, that I have discussed this topic with believe that nothing is going to change. That there will be underground sells still. Yet I think that this will not be. I think that a lot of farmers, big farmers are going to loose all of their business overnight. Most are not prepared for what is coming, according to certain sources I know, there will be only 1800 acres in total licenses for cultivation. Meaning some licenses of 25,000 sq ft, 10,000 sq ft, etc. once they hit 1800 acres of total grow space in all types of combined licenses no more will be allotted.
 
torontoke

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The fact that they want to control it from seed to delivery as u said is why the underground market will always thrive.
More hands in the jar means more end cost and someone will see that price difference as potential profit.
If u need proof just look around because it is already happening now all over the world
 
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The recently crafted legislation could be the frame work for the future but much depends on the voters in November. Sean Parker's initiative could change everything around so nobody really knows what to plan for.

After what ever happens, happens in Nov., then the Black Market will have to go much deeper underground than they now reside. At the moment BM growers can blend in and take advantage of the collective model of operations but the collective model is on the way out and seed to sale will be the new norm.

Black Market will always exist because it has run successfully for decades and it can't be stopped but the head-in-the-sand people who think that they can continue on as usual are going to be in for a serious shock.
 
torontoke

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Any crackdown or whatever else will only lead to a price increase and prices increases or extra profit lead to an underground expansion if anything.
It's a plant. The sooner everyone realizes that the better and the money saved by not wasting on cops courts and jails will be twice the dream revenue anyway.
 
torontoke

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Budley Doright said:
Yup and now Ontario wants to sell it in LCBO lol. That'll be priced low I bet :o.
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No chance
My buddy took his gf to Colorado in the summer and couldn't believe the prices. It will be the same everywhere that legalizes 15-30 a gram for the growers 2nds.
Fuk that
People will always just grow their own or buy from their friends cheaper with less paperwork and bs
 
Gquebed

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Big corps will move in.

They wi drop the price to grab market share and force the small guys out.

Then the big corps will lobby the gov for laws that protect their market against competitors and stiffer laws against black marketeers.

Then the corps will run the prices way up...artificially fix them.

It will happen fast in this order, just like when alcohol prohibition ended.

It is a business model that has been followed for centuries.

In fact, even the blackmarket follows this business model, except where law is concerned. They use guns to enforce things...
 
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70's natureboy

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I think weed is a little different. You can make good alcohol on a large scale but weed takes much more tlc. I could be wrong. I just can't see cost cutting corporations hiring minimum wage immigrants making good quality weed month after month. There will be hiccups when some of those bozos bring some mites to work with them and wipe out the whole operation. I could be wrong again. I just can't imagine large scale quality weed. I mean like tobacco companies supplying weed for millions of people. Nowadays large scale would be a warehouse with 20-50 lights. I think that would be hard to take care of and that wouldn't supply a small city. Somebody is definitely going to make a ton of money from it and the small growers will still fill their niche.
 
orbo

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Its all about $$. I make my own booze. Simply because its cheaper....WAY cheaper. I can make a gallon of 120 proof clear likkir for about $6.00 give or take. My wife and I drink alot so its worth it to me. As far as weed, same principal applies. My guess is that the industry will try to continue where the black market left off (price wise) while the true black market just lowers their prices and maintains or improves quality and that becomes Value Add. ESPECIALLY knowing that the moment its in your pocket its legal...almost zero risk. Unless you get jammed up in a narco sting.
 
The_Herban_Legend

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Digital_life said:
This thread is about discussing the topic of California's new legislation that takes effect today. New licenses that will be released for commercial grows, dispensaries, nurseries and delivery services. Everything is going to be tracked now from seed to retail sales completely. So where does that leave farmers and collectives that miss out on getting licenses to continue in the trade? Will the underground sells of medical marijuana disappear with it being highly accessible from licensed resources? Will the cost per lb drop signifently? After the end of prohibition with alcohol, the moonshine market disappeared almost overnight. Leaving moonshiners broke with no market for their product, due to legal readily supplied whiskey and other alcohol. Will the marijuana market fall to the same resolve? Will major corporations take over this industry? Let's discuss and see where we believe things will go.
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Bureaucratic regulation will keep legalized cannabis at a price that will inadvertently strengthen the black market.
 
orbo

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It wont be long and they'll get wise and try to incorporate packaging into the law to try and differentiate legal from non I suspect.
 
Budley Doright

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^^^^^ They already have, all the packaging must be government approved here. It's all bullshit and since when have things gotten cheaper and less complicated with the man in charge lol. Remember what happened with the grow your own medicine here. Turned out they had a list of the growers that applied then tried to shut it all down. That's why I stayed the fuck out of that program lol. Stay in the shadows lol.
 
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Budley Doright said:
^^^^^ They already have, all the packaging must be government approved here. It's all bullshit and since when have things gotten cheaper and less complicated with the man in charge lol. Remember what happened with the grow your own medicine here. Turned out they had a list of the growers that applied then tried to shut it all down. That's why I stayed the fuck out of that program lol. Stay in the shadows lol.
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That didn't take long. HA
 
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Digital_life

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Colorado has pretty much zero black market now, except someone who grows and maybe sells to his neighbor or such. The price per gram is $15, 1/8 $30, 1/2 oz $100, oz $175. This is for killer dank 25%THC product. My buddy who made about 100k a month growing, didn't get a license and thought the same way. Literally he had to get another job. He has maybe three or four people who buy an oz here or there now a month. He went from selling 30-40lb a month to maybe 4-6 oz. because there so much legal weed at the dispensaries and they grow it all in the facilities that the black market is gone.
 
Digital_life

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This post is about explaining to people that if they do not get on board in proper facilities and prepping for licenses they are going to get left behind. They won't even be able to sell seeds. Let alone think there will be a black market at all.
 
JDGreen

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torontoke said:
The fact that they want to control it from seed to delivery as u said is why the underground market will always thrive.
More hands in the jar means more end cost and someone will see that price difference as potential profit.
If u need proof just look around because it is already happening now all over the world
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To be honest. With packaging, product testing, and employees, plus overall rent and other utility costs,
Theres very little if any room for a company to undersell me. I get the price per gram so low it seems silly. Without my led electric cost, i have free water, its under $1 a gram. I rarely pay for seeds and work with clones for most of my grow career which is.harder for companies to keep great genetics.

On top of all that, the cannabis community as profit driven as it can be is as family oriented and as generous as any market. Ive been given more free stuff/info growing cannabis than any other business.
 
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