Never Ending Tincher Question

Can tincher be made without fats, alcohol or similar solvent?

I read page that says tincher is made with nothing but honey and weed

I would appreciate it if a few of you would take a look at this and post your opinions.


http://tokesignals.com/making-medicine-cannabis-infused-honey-tincture/

First part of page is useless dribble - scroll down to Sharon’s Honey Tincture

This is as simple as it can possibly get but I have serious doubts about THC binding to honey.

Sure you can use alcohol to extract and add that to honey and then cook off the alcohol. I just thought I would see how many people tell me how stupid this is before I put good weed to waste.

I don't think it would work out very good....

Ya, this can be done with mushrooms.... not weed imo

Well I'm bored this fine morning.. I'll help clarify why I don't believe it would work out..honey consists of glucose and fructose, monosaccharides simple sugars. They are covered in oh hydroxyl groups, making it quite polar..you may have gotten confused hearing someone talk about honey oil referring to bho, butane honey oil.... or perhaps heard about glycerin being used (no I didn't read your link, sorry usually don't)...glycerin is a sugar alcohol, thc is soluble in alcohol because of its non polar carbon chain even though it consists of polar hydroxyl groups as well

Honey also has non polar waxes in it and if you heat it and the cannabis oil, they will mix. If you set that on the shelf for an extended period, they will also separate.

So your saying the waxes will pull the thc? I'm not trying to disagree with you as I have no experience in the matter. Just my theoretical thoughts.. but Wikipedia says, Typical honey analysis: [43]Fructose: 38.2% Glucose: 31.3% Maltose: 7.1% Sucrose: 1.3% Water: 17.2% Higher sugars: 1.5% Ash: 0.2% Other/undetermined: 3.2% .. I would have to think absorption would be minimal at best and require a lot of honey to hold the same amount of cannabinoids as a better solvent

(Edit) I've also never heard of honey separating, it crystallizes but that's entirely different.

Interesting but also sounds about as fruitful as extracting THC from stems. I did not know that honey and the oil would separate once mixed. Honey being a polar or non-polar substance is beyond me. If you do a web search attempting to discover what are or are not polar substances you will get nothing. Dow Chemical says sharp boundaries between polar and non-polar solvents are not available. A knowledge of Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms is something my life does not have a lot of need for. I've mixed honey and various oils many times but never had any around long enough to know they would separate. What I have read on honey suggests its makeup varies as much MMJ stains. Its potential to bind with THC appears extreamly limited since only the wax has fatty acid and long chain alcohols.

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So your saying the waxes will pull the thc? I'm not trying to disagree with you as I have no experience in the matter. Just my theoretical thoughts.. but Wikipedia says, Typical honey analysis: [43]Fructose: 38.2% Glucose: 31.3% Maltose: 7.1% Sucrose: 1.3% Water: 17.2% Higher sugars: 1.5% Ash: 0.2% Other/undetermined: 3.2% .. I would have to think absorption would be minimal at best and require a lot of honey to hold the same amount of cannabinoids as a better solvent (Edit) I've also never heard of honey separating, it crystallizes but that's entirely different.

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Here is the sample that I ran to find out.

That just leaves me with more questions, how was the extraction rate? How would you comment on potency ? Also did you use a dark honey or was that from the extract? If so how did you extract? And one last question. Help me understand what's pulling the thc, the reference Wikipedia lists has about a 100 different types of honey analysis all with less than 4% waxes, I find it hard to believe those waxes would be efficient, it would have to be heated for a while I would imagine. But still with most a good bit less than 4% wax. Is there something else extracting as well?..... lol like I said, that just leaves me with more questions

interesting.

qwizoking said:

That just leaves me with more questions, how was the extraction rate? How would you comment on potency ? Also did you use a dark honey or was that from the extract? If so how did you extract? And one last question. Help me understand what's pulling the thc, the reference Wikipedia lists has about a 100 different types of honey analysis all with less than 4% waxes, I find it hard to believe those waxes would be efficient, it would have to be heated for a while I would imagine. But still with most a good bit less than 4% wax. Is there something else extracting as well?..... lol like I said, that just leaves me with more questions

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I didn't extract with it. I would not expect it to do a good job in that role.

I mixed 2 grams of BHO with 10 grams of honey while hot and let them cool, to prove that they would mix.

The honey was clover honey distributed by Silverbow. Not pale, but a number of shades lighter than the mixture.

You do realize that the op was talking about using honey as a solvent to extract thc like you would do with butter via crockpot simmering....seemed like you were disagreeing with my statements?

So your saying you can mix honey and hash oil while heated and it would proceed to seperate once cool and after a period of time to allow it?

I already stated honey was polar, this should have been an obvious conclusion....I'm not trying to be combative I'm just not understanding what you were getting at

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You do realize that the op was talking about using honey as a solvent to extract thc like you would do with butter via crockpot simmering....seemed like you were disagreeing with my statements?

So your saying you can mix honey and hash oil while heated and it would proceed to seperate once cool and after a period of time to allow it?

I already stated honey was polar, this should have been an obvious conclusion....I'm not trying to be combative I'm just not understanding what you were getting at

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Yup, and if you read my post, I'm talking about solubility, since your post draws that into question.

Being soluble in honey, doesn't make honey a good choice for extraction and it wouldn't be, but it will work.

It took about six weeks for the honey and oil to separate, and it was interesting how they did it. A clearer liquid rose to the top, that was lighter than the original honey, and all the dark stuff ended up at the bottom, including the darker honey constitutes.

Not taking your comments as combative, but the subject has received intense debate, which is why I ran the samples in the first place. Sometimes it is better to just try myself, than to sort out who knows the correct answer.