Those pics are from 2009.
Need some advice on flushing?
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Sorry what? Are you confused?
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Sir, you speak utter rubbish. I asked for a reasonable reply based on scientific principles which you have attemped, but unfortunately through a lack of knowledge have failed to supply.Hi to all fellow pottyheads. I don´t usually write to forums but the above post just forced me to sign in. Especially quote no. 13) inspired me. Soo... let´s pick´em holes...
1) No they are not. Not all at least. Major amount of N-fertilizers are made from ammonia produced through Haber-Bosch process. If you don´t know what metabolism or metabolized mean, check it out. The explanations of these words are hidden in dictionaries. Also, you seem to suggest that "element" and "nutrient" are synonyms. They are not. Another dictionary dig for you.
2) Now, when we compare quotes one and two we find out that: nutrients are elements that have been metabolized AND a "Simple, basic,un-arguable fact" is that they cannot be. At this point your logic escapes the boundaries of reason.
3) This really pissed me off. In this section you (after ousting the organic fertilizers 1 and 2) boldly claim to be so learned and intelligent that discussion shouldn´t even exist. If this is "schoolboy stuff" for you, please tell us what school you went. People should be able to avoid sending their kids to it.
4) Utter gibberish. However I would like to know what "these (first time mentioned) protons" are and what is their "action" they "can reverse" (as if they had a will).
5) Plant´s not dumping shite. Flushing is killing the plants and their roots are decomposing and melting into water. There is also a physical phenomenon called "evaporation" which reduces the H2O (water)-content of the reservoir while leaving the salts in. (yes, if your flusher-friends don´t use distilled water there are salts in it). Another scientific explanation for higher TDS-readings is that they changed their meters worn-out batteries to fresh ones. Far more plausible explanation than "function reversing protons".
6 , 7) Read together and weep.
Well, urea is slow (when diluted and watered into soil) but extremely fast if foliar-fed. (Emergency measure in severe N-deficiency. Not really necessary but if someone wants to try it, don´t go over 0,5g/l). Nitrates on the other hand are THE form of N that plants take up most efficiently. Minor flaws but FORMALDEHYDE? EMBALMING AGENT??? CH2OH???? Where is the N in that? Earlier you told that elements cant change into others but clearly the laws of physics are altered again. Or do you have a particle accelerator in your grow room? That might do the trick...
9) Has it been proven scientifically? In gardening? Chelation is a therapy which removes heavy metals... from human patients. It makes those metals movable and they are removed from the body diluted in URINE produced by the KIDNEYS. Plants, however, seldom (if ever) have been proven to possess kidneys or to produce urine.
10) When flushing is not enough... ELECTROCUTE YOUR BUDS! Now we are really getting somewhere.
11) Growing is gardening. It is whatever the gardener makes it to be. Marijuana has been grown for a pretty long time without science. The true secret of MJ-growing is: IT´S A BLOODY TOUGH PLANT AND CAN TAKE A LOT OF ABUSE AND STILL DELIVER. But even MJ can´t survive flushing.
12) Yes. I can believe you have.
13) Hope you are satisfied. However, I cannot really say I disagree with your thinking. I just don´t believe such process exists.
14) Are we?
15) I most certainly don´t.
16) Amen to that.
P.S.
WHAT FLUSHING DOES: Saying it starves the plants is an understatement. It actually stops all plant metabolism once the micro nutrients in roots and stem are sucked into growing points and used. This means that the nitrates and other macro-nutes that cells MAY VERY WELL have in them will not be used as building blocks of the plant but will still be there when dried. Just the opposite of what was wanted. (yes, Mr. Harrekin. You had that (only) one wrong. Nutes can build up). To avoid this DO NOT OVERFERTILIZE!!! USE EC-METER!!! Also note that for example nitrates can build up even if not overfertilized. Mn-deficiency is enough to to this, so use fertilizers with enough micros in right ratios. And don´t overdo it. Crops HAVE been poisoned with micro nutrients.
P.P.S
Youtube is full of grow-videos ending with "proper flushing". See yourself how fine crops wither and wilt under this exorcism-ritual. And listen how the happy flushers glorify the resulting reek of death and decay as the "fine smell of plants pushing the last resins to precious buds."
1) The Haber-Bosch system is simply a way of extracting 2 elements (Hydrogen and Nitrogen)
2) Yes they are still elements, although still bonded.
3) I went to Cranfield University and did my MSc in soil science. Prior to that I did my Higher Diploma in Sports Turf Science and management, passing out as top student.
4) Protons cannot be removed by the stomata. Where do you think they go? As I said, look up Cation exchange. It will give you a start.
5) Yes they do. If you seriously think that changing the batteries changes all our TDS meters throws all the readings off then why even bother with them?
6,7,) Just go to university, learn and read and weep.
9) Go to your local garden store and ask for chelated iron. If chelation is to remove heavy metals, how come the most common form of chelated element in common use is iron?
I will not even carry on with the final quotes.
I will, however tell you that I am an award winning groundsman whom has run several golf courses, cricket grounds, bowling greens, and a world famous county cricket ground. I have also had several papers published.
The irony is that I now prefer Hydro for our uses!
And no, no sh1T.
I just hate people that come on here pretending to know it all.
I sure don't. Hydro is all new to me, but I do understand the basic principles. Statements like 'Chelation is a therapy which removes heavy metals... from human patients' are just ridiculous. It just shows a lack of basic understanding.