My 2 cents on profit for caregivers

I want to pre-appologize to stumpjumper our mod-I think this will spiral out of control quickly but here it goes anyway.
I think people need to get on board with some profit for your caregiver and others tryng to make a living in this industry. I say this because money and profits are what has kept us down for so long with our cause. It can also save us n the same way. THEY have the money to lobby and fund campaigns and all the dirty shit that's been done to hold back the movement. I want to say I'm for full on legalization as well. Personal harm isn't even a good reason in my book to make things illegal. I'm for legal alcohol, I'm for gun ownership I'm for a great deal of things that have potential to harm but cannot do so without a human's intervention (guns don't kill; people use them to kill etc). Pot is a big one for doing no harm but it's illegal and we get bogged down in that legality even inside our movement. Who should be legal, how can we get it legal blah blah you're sck 'm sick he isn't but she is sick enough for a harmless herb. Profit=money in a vendor's hands and you have to trust they will do what they need to do to stay in business (look at RJ Reynolds, they kill without question but their bankroll keeps them around and powerful). IF we never make an RJ Reynolds we don't get their backing and we die. grassroots is cool but its only going to get us so far we need profitable companies to help us out. Congress is run by large companies and most of the people on this site don't want johhny no name caregiver to make any money (some think he should take a net loss in donating his goods!) so where is the monitary support going to come from people? NORML.org? do you "free med" jerks donate to them? Point is, money is power in our corrupt system so unless we're ready to put down the daises and utopian ideals about free herbs and start generating some cashflow we're all doomed to get beaten back to woodstock. fire when ready haters........

Dude I think it should be legal and we should be able to make a home business out of it if we want to. No argument here.

let's make some motherfucking money.

I want to believe that most people would happily go a long with it. To the best of my understanding, the legit gripes are over things like price gouging and poor/unreliable services.

anybody selling their med's for less then 300oz i feel sorry for.

Let the free market dictate price and product. I'd hope to eventually see a dispensary in Bloomfield Hills charging $1000/oz and making a living doing so. Who fuckin cares?? This is America. If I want to drive a Bentley and burn fossil fuels by the metric ton and smoke $1000/oz pot so be it. If you want to give all your dope away to whining "patients" then you should have the ability to do so as well.
Point being I hate the idea of some asshole be it a politician, LEO, or one of the douchbags on this forum to tell me what I can or cannot do. So long as I'm not infringing upon you or your freedoms, let me do what I choose.

CountGlochula said:

anybody selling their med's for less then 300oz i feel sorry for.

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Why is that?

less than 300 a zip. LOL thats crazy. i sell zips all mafucken day for 200 . i used to sell them for 175 even but bumped it up. and im talking sum str8 fire

$250 oz is real fair IMO

i live close to notre dame,we have very friendly caregiver prices around here.

stumpjumper said:

Dude I think it should be legal and we should be able to make a home business out of it if we want to. No argument here.

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I kind of figured the thread would spiral into a name calling freak-out like so many others, glad it didn't. That what the preappology was for.

Well since the sale of weed is not legal anywhere in the United States. (please correct me if I am wrong). Then when a caregiver accepts donations to aid in the cost of production, a portion, if not all goes toward the propagation of the strain(s). Weather he or she makes a "profit" is semantics. Just try going to your local 'club' and try leaving a donation of $5.00 for a quatrer ounce on meds....Chances are you won't make it out the door. And if you should make it, please tell me where you managed to get away with that!!

I feel that since we can manufacture alcohol (beer & wine), we should be able to grow mj.

I don't understand why everyone is so infatuated with what other people charge, I wish people would just mind their own damn business. If you don't like what someone charges, buy from someone else. I couldn't give a shit if everyone here charged $500 an ounce, just just gives people more incentive to grow

All the haters and self-righteous douches around here amaze me in the way that they try to separate us all into different groups and act like they're better than others instead of banding together and charging toward the ultimate goal of legalization. They haven't made their way into this thread yet, but like the OP said, they'll be here soon to torch it to the ground. They usually appear in groups.

The legalization here in Michigan has made the price/ donations for "Medical" weed crazy. Some are charging &20.00 a gram and getting it all day with one third going to the 'club' and two thirds to the grower. If you do the math thats roughly 3K(Thousand) a pound for the club and 6K a pound for the grower. Seems to be a decent way to make a living, especially here in unemployed Michigan!

stumpjumper said:

Why is that?

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$300..you're nuts. The base value is probably in the 100 an oz range. If you can't grow weed and make a decent living at 100 an oz...you either can't grow weed, or you're way over valuing your time efforts and expenses.

That's based on the assumption that growing is recognized as a business, and run like one. You know..business license, accurate accounting, paying taxes...little stuff like that. Doesn't sound like most guys could survive in that scenario. Or they feel that that would be an "infringement' on their rights.

So, want you want, is the freedoms of business ownership, without the real world responsibilities of business ownership?. .

I mean, as a business, would this work for you? Take a look a this hypothetical scenario, even adjust it as you like. lets establish a fair and decent living for a caregiver with 5 patients and 12 plants per person.

Start up costs. lets assume that as a business, you will have to rent a location.

Is $10,000 for start up equipment enough? I'm only thinkin 500 a month for rent. just need open floor and electricity.

Easy one man operation..60 plants ain't that big a deal. yup, there will be some long day stretches. Harvesting times, re pot days...all that stuff. but ther will be long periods of "look and check" days too.. Kinda nice job.

So, I set up my operation. I think the way to make the most profit is flower half/veg half rotation. So I can flower 30 plants every two months. Lets cut that in half, so we can keep the accounting 'monthly".

15, 8 week plants, no space limitations, all the equipment you could possibly want...what's your yield estimate...on the low side? 2.5 oz per plant ok? That should be easy, right? remember, these have 8 weeks to root and veg..so they aren't too tiny to start.

2.5 x 15plants...37.5oz's right?

One oz for each of the 5 card holders...37.5 oz towards gross profits. At 200 an oz, that's $7500 gross per month.

Now we need expenses to get to net profit...

Rent 500, electric $1100 per month (most of you guys seem to think less) Equipment depreciation, repair, replacement and maintenance,300 a month, soil, ferts, pots..misc stuff...200 a month (again, generous by what I've read) lets pay an accountant 350 a month too, for our taxes and accounting.

add em all up...$2450 in expenses....if they are off in your estimation, help me get them right.

7500 gross minus 2400 expenses, your "taxable gross' is $5100 per month. Yearly taxable gross: $61,200

Like a good American, you file and pay taxes on 67k, for your your part time job (based on required hours to tend 60 plants) is that fair?

bob harris said:

$300..you're nuts. The base value is probably in the 100 an oz range. If you can't grow weed and make a decent living at 100 an oz...you either can't grow weed, or you're way over valuing your time efforts and expenses.

that's based on the assumption that growing is recognized as a business, and run like one.

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Just curious, how long do you keep your plants alive, or better yet paper towel to jars, and what do they yield?

he veg's for six mo and pray's that he get's 2oz.

MrStickyScissors said:

less than 300 a zip. LOL thats crazy. i sell zips all mafucken day for 200 . i used to sell them for 175 even but bumped it up. and im talking sum str8 fire

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the most i charge is 250 for low yeilding sativas like nev. haze and mango widow...200 is the norm round here and it allows me to give away a good amount to people that dont ask for it . cuz the ones that need it are already perscribed medes to the hilt and it is a chore to show them the amazing results from ganja...

I could sell (but I don't) top shelf all day long for $200 and make a killing... Fact is though people are paying $80 a 1/4 for shit that smells like hay....

If people are paying that for shit why would someone take less for something better? I guess you could move it faster at a reduced rate.. but hell if I know a guy paying $80 and has no issue with it, I might as well sell him some for $80 too?