Mini Aeroponic Garden

GypsyBush

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Hello to all of you out there! bongsmilie

First post...and I'm afraid it's going to be a long one... better go get your stash...bongsmilie

This is my first attempt at leaving the dirt outside.bongsmilie

I will start by saying that before I went and bought the Aerogarden, I read 99% of the posts I could find that were related.bongsmilie


A few members stood out for their efforts and also for the patience they had with members that for some reason couldn't read a few pages back...bongsmilie


If a thread interests you, READ IT FROM THE BEGINNING !!!!
It will make the whole experience much more enjoyable for everyone...bongsmilie


OK! With that out of my chest... I will now tell you what and how.
I am trying to maximize the Aerogarden's capabilities, while proving that one can supply himself with the good medicine so many of us are privileged to have found.bongsmilie


bongsmilieThe Modsbongsmilie

Standard Aerogarden with separate power cord for the light, connected to a $4 hardware store timer. This will allow me to control the 12/12 automatically.bongsmilie

A small aquarium air pump, 3 "T" fittings, 4 small airstones, silicone airlines and a little bit of black "duct tape".bongsmilie

The reason I am using such a complicated airstone system is the fact that in every one of the posts I saw, one or two plants did really well, one really poorly and the rest were OK.bongsmilie

My theory (still unproven at this time) is that since the Aerogarden "pours" the water onto the roots, as opposed to the more sophisticated high pressure "misters", the airstone's bubbles create that "misting" effect as they brake the surface of the water, in fact filling the "airspace" with mist.bongsmilie

As people used one airstone, with the idea of oxygenating the water, some plants were closer to the bubbles, therefore getting "misted", while the others, though still healthy, were not showing the growth rates produced by "misting".bongsmilie

With the slightly more complicated 4 airstone system, I will be distributing the bubbles more evenly, hoping to "mist" the entire "airspace", and with it all of the grow sites.bongsmilie

I am not sure if the pump I bought will be sufficient to run all four stones, although combined they are smaller than some of the others I have seen people use with small pumps.bongsmilie

If that is the case, I will upgrade the pump to a size that will cause bubbles to burst all over the surface of the water, which may require more "T" fittings and additional airstones.bongsmilie

As you may notice, I used one of the "grow holes" to run my air line out of the unit, securing it and blocking the light with back "duct tape". This is temporary, if this system proves itself, I will drill a hole and use a grommet on the back of the container for the line and I will also mount the air pump permanently.

This is all unproven theory!bongsmilie

You can see I added a thermometer and will also be checking the Ph daily.bongsmilie

I believe a little care can make a world of difference in the end result.bongsmilie

bongsmilieThe Madnessbongsmilie

I think the Aerogarden is capable of producing a wonderful mini garden that produces more than enough to justify the effort.bongsmilie

I plan on using clones.bongsmilie

The first batch will go into flowering 3 days after I see healthy roots. Immediately if I get them already rooted.bongsmilie

The idea is that I can have one nice cola out of each grow site. The mini garden.bongsmilie

I expect to be able to turn the aerogarden every 8 weeks, if not sooner, and I have been wondering about having more than one clone per grow site.bongsmilie

I read of people growing from seed having more than one sprout per pod and keep it there until they actually broke the plastic "hoppers".bongsmilie

I am thinking that since my garden will stay little, I can use something (like the little castle hiding the air line) to make sure they are far enough apart. With clones, it would be easy enough to create this arrangement.bongsmilie

The plants would grow side by side, but with about a 3 to 4 inch separation.bongsmilie

Another idea, which I may try at a later time, would be to do one plant with a longer veg time, and bondage it Bonsai style to create a very wide flowering surface.bongsmilie

If things go as I plan, the light will not be raised much, if at all, during the whole process. Keep it small so the turn around is faster.bongsmilie

I have no idea how much I will end up with, but I will try my best to supply myself year round with no more than 2 aerogardens.bongsmilie

The pictures will hopefully illustrate some of what I am talking about.bongsmilie

I will post again when I actually turn the system ON, in a few days or so...bongsmilie

Till then...bongsmilie

Be Well...bongsmilie

Gypsy...:peace:
 

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GypsyBush

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Hello again everyone!!!:weed:

A little update on the Mini Garden Project...:weed:


I came a cross a Mother who was not against sharing it's DNA with the Project.:weed:


Though I will never know it's true origins, I do know for a fact that these are beautiful, short & fat, heavy producers. I also know they have about a 8 to 10 week flowering/maturing cycle, which I am hoping to bring down to 6 weeks. The theory is that they will be so small, they will get their business done a little faster.:weed:


bongsmilie



:wall: THE FIRST OBSTACLES :wall:


The first thing I noticed as I turned the system on, is that although bubbles do end up in all corners of the tank, they are not even close to the FIZZING action I was hoping for. The solution to this problem is a bigger pump and possibly 4 more of the miniature stones. I WANT MORE BUBBLES!!!:weed:



The temperatures of both the water and the air are proving to be a little more difficult that I had expected. Both on the warm side.:weed:



I need discretion, a lot of discretion, so I put the garden inside of a night stand. The solution to the air temp is easy, a fan... so I will get on that first thing tomorrow. I really want to avoid using too big of a fan due to space constraints. Something like a computer fan, but bigger, would be ideal. I have to see what I can find locally.:weed:



As for the water temp, the simplest solution I see, is to put some of those "ice packs" around the base of the tank and experiment with quantities and distances, to obtain optimum results. I know I could use a pump and circulate the water with a bigger tank... but I want MINI !!! hahahaha!:weed:

I got three babies rooted in "rockwool" cubes. Because they are the same age as their Mother, they are actually mature enough to reproduce. Since 2 of them were a bit tall for the project, I am running a side experiment. I clipped them and set the clippings up with their very own grow sites.:weed:


Green sticks, split at the end, stuck in soft foam with water running 24 hours a day. No rooting supplements, nutrients or additives at this point, just cool, Ph stabilized tap water.:weed:



When I first see signs of roots on these new babies, I will turn them in to a 12/12 light cycle.:weed:

Also worth mentioning; one grow site actually has two clones, a thicker branch along side a very small but bushy side clipping from another clipping ... uh... yeah... so I started with 3 rooted babies and ended up with ... 3 rooted babies and 4 yet to root or die babies.:weed:


Removing the roots from the rockwool cubes was a very difficult process. I cringed as I pulled, but I did get most of it off, along with half the smaller roots. One of the plants just got a "trim" of the cube, I bypassed the sponge and just stuck the "rockwool cone" in the hopper.:weed:



Well I hope you guys enjoy the pictures...

I will keep posting as new developments, experiments or improvements occur.:weed:


Till then... :weed:


Be Well... bongsmilie


Gypsy...:peace:
 

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korvette1977

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You should cover the empty holes . Cause light is not good for the roots .. The airstone thing is overkill... Once the plant matures the roots will fill the res ... 1 airstone is just fine ... Remember .. less is sometimes more ..
 

GypsyBush

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You should cover the empty holes . Cause light is not good for the roots .. The airstone thing is overkill... Once the plant matures the roots will fill the res ... 1 airstone is just fine ... Remember .. less is sometimes more ..

Thanks for the reply!
I actually have all but one of the grow sites in use, and that other one is where I piped my airhose, which is blocked with black duct tape. There are no open holes, as you can see in the picture that shows the whole garden.bongsmilie


The plants are mature already, as they are clones, and I will be switching them to a flowering light cycle as soon as the rootless clones show some rooting.bongsmilie


As for the airstones, I really think I can benefit from having the whole surface braking bubbles. If nothing else, it makes me feel like I am trying something different. The mini airstones I am using cost $0.99 each, so I don't mind the experiment.bongsmilie
 

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Tamzi

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hi there.

noticed you mention that air stones are not bubbling all around the base. i had this very problem in my aquarium. 3x large stones a 200lt/h air pump. problem was the stones and tubing. the stones on the last leg of the fitting was not recieving enough air presure.

maybe pop down too your local aquarium store and look for some cheap Air Curtains, these are a flexi tube with thousands of holes in. they are normaly used too create a curtain of bubbles hiding the rear glass of your tanks. being flexible and a tube, you could route them around the base of your unit. then a single air stone in center, this would give you full coverage of surface area and alotta fine misting bubbles.

a 1 inch gap between the base sides would allow curtain too cover the whole area and leave no dead spots

Flexible Bubble Wand 48 in. (Marineland)

hope this helps

Tamzi
 

GypsyBush

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hi there.

noticed you mention that air stones are ... not recieving enough air pressure.

maybe ... a flexi tube with thousands of holes in... and a lotta fine misting bubbles.

hope this helps

Tamzi
Thank You very much for the info!!!
I had actually considered pinholes on the hose, but decided against it thinking the airstones will give me smaller bubbles.bongsmilie

My set up has all 4 stones at the same distance, in a "H" pattern. I just need more air... no biggie...

I do not have pictures of the stems before, but I pretty sure the white stuff is the very beginning of the root system...bongsmilie
I will keep track of this and post changes as they happen...


The other pics are just close-up shots of some new growth and other parts...

Till next time...

Be Well...

Gypsy...:peace:
 

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AGSteve

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I found your theory with the air stones intriguing. I am right at the start of sourcing all my components so any feedback on your setup will be very helpful. I have on order a small air pump (rena air 100l) and a 6" block but after seeing your thread this will probably change.
 

GypsyBush

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Just skimed through... but will be back to read the whole thing as I try to upload some new pix... looking good though

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Thanks!
I gotta say... Your set up is very cool!
I like your no-nonsense approach.
Kudos to You!!!:weed:


I found your theory with the air stones intriguing. I am right at the start of sourcing all my components so any feedback on your setup will be very helpful. I have on order a small air pump (rena air 100l) and a 6" block but after seeing your thread this will probably change.

Yeah Man! It's all theory, you know... no guarantees...
I am trying and have a feeling I will succeed, mostly because I am not looking for large quantities. If I get 7 grams per plant I will be stoked!
Good luck to you and thanks for the post!bongsmilie


Gypsy...:joint::peace:
 

korvette1977

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You can get an ounce per plant . (dry) I do .. Ive found with these units .you have to let them flower longer .. If it is a 8-10 week strain .. let them go 2 weeks longer .. Ive been using one for awhile . with no hassle. Also forget about the ""Fill to here"" thing ... Fill the res to the brim.. Because they will drink 30-40 oz of water a day .. Good luck
 

AGSteve

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Yeah Man! It's all theory, you know... no guarantees...
I am trying and have a feeling I will succeed, mostly because I am not looking for large quantities. If I get 7 grams per plant I will be stoked!
Good luck to you and thanks for the post!bongsmilie


Gypsy...:joint::peace:
Cool, I have a few theories/ideas on how to max the potential of using the AG myself. My kit is on order but hope to have by end of week but I've already started a journal with my proposed setup and ideas. let me know what you reckon on some of my wacky ideas.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/102833-noob-grower-using-aerogarden-custom.html
 

GypsyBush

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:leaf:Another Update... I thought it was in order since there have been some definite rooting action...:leaf:

I added one of the "pills" that came with the Aerogarden, and it has actually helped stabilize the PH.
My tap water is very high ph, and even after bringing it down, I would test it later to find it creeping back up... not since I added one of the germination "pills".bongsmilie

I also solved both my temperatures problems by adding a fan.
A bit big for my taste, but it was the fan available, and now I have no trouble keeping my water at 58F/14c and the airspace for the roots at 65F/18c.bongsmilie

The air around the plants is around 65F/18c and they seem to like it.

So far I can tell one of the new clones is developing roots.
I can also tell that the rooted clones are doing well and one of them has doubled the root size.bongsmilie

I did some major pruning and got rid of pretty much every large leaf I could find. They were not the healthiest leaves anyways...
There is plenty of new growth and other smaller leafs.
The big ones were pretty much a drain on the little "rootlings".bongsmilie

They all seem very happy and I will induce flowering as soon as I have definite roots an all of them, or it becomes obvious it is not taking...

I am hoping all this will happen in 3 days at the most... if not I may just switch them anyway and see what happens.:weed:

Well, hope you enjoy the pictures...bongsmilie

Till next time...

Be Well...

Gypsy...:joint::peace:
 

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GypsyBush

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You can get an ounce per plant . (dry) I do .. Ive found with these units .you have to let them flower longer .. If it is a 8-10 week strain .. let them go 2 weeks longer .. Ive been using one for awhile . with no hassle. Also forget about the ""Fill to here"" thing ... Fill the res to the brim.. Because they will drink 30-40 oz of water a day .. Good luck

WOW!

That is real good!!!

I really don't want that much though... I know, it's weird...

I figure I can keep my clones really small, on or two branches, and about 4 inches high...

I am hoping to NEVER have to raise the light hood to the top...
If I do, I need to flower smaller clones... but I think I got it right...

15 inch (at harvest) clones with one or two buds...
7 clones on each garden...
3 gardens 2 weeks apart...

That is all I need... and I hope not to exceed that...

Thanks for the advice!
It's in my notes...


the aerogarden nutes have a buffer in them .. you cant change the ph .....
Since I added the pill to my ph'd water, the ph has not fluctuated and is at a constant 5.8...

Thanks again for the info!

Gypsy...:joint::peace:
 

Richness69

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Your whole "bubble popping" theory sounds good on paper but you have to realize that in a couple of weeks the roots will be completely submerged. You're wasting your time and money on the extra air stones. Like Korvette said, one is plenty.
Don't start over-analyzing everything, the Aerogarden is pretty much a no brainer ( from my experiences anyway). My first grow I used the nute tabs that came with the AG (they're Ph buffered) and everything came out just fine. My second time I used Fox Farm hydro nutes. They kick ass. Good luck and most of all-- puff one and R e l a x....
 

Wolfman Zen

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Hey gypsy I just read the thread... and I like they way explain things and good pics too...

Keep on experimenting... it's the best way to learn of what works and what doesn't.... I'm sure many of us here have run into the same problems you are and will be.. so we will give you advice as things move on... don't take it the wrong way... and you don't have to follow it... I've been giving good advice, but continue with my experimenting just to see it all for my self.

I agree with getting more stones and a bigger pump... one of those with 2 air outlets... and at least 8 mini stones.... Though I like that you are using green tubing... I've been looking for it, but was not able to find it... were did you find yours?.... by the way.. if anybody is wondering why green tubing is better... it's cuz it filters out the beneficial light that algae needs to grow... Green tubing prevents algae.

oh and one last thing.... don't forget to have fun with it!

welcome to the.... MICRO REVOLUTION!! =]
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GypsyBush

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Thanks Rich!
I appreciate the advice!
I hear you and the others... but it cost me an extra 2 minutes and $4 to do what I did...I see no big loss there...

I do see your point, but... I still want bubbles all over my roots, in or out of the water... I guess I just like bubbles... hahahaha!!!

As for relaxed... you gotta realize that I am sitting in a room with my broken ass leg... 30 screws, plates and all the shit that goes with it...

I am pretty relaxed, but I am in a big city, away from all my friends, doing painful physical therapy 30 hours a week...

So I post every little development, not only because I am watching, but because all my friends back home get to see it...

That is all, just too much time in my hands...

Well, later...

Gypsy...:joint::peace:
 

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GypsyBush

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Thanks Zen!:leaf:

I bought the tubing at a PETCO pet store, in the fresh water aquarium aisle.
Nice info on the tubing... I didn't know... I had the choice of clear plastic or green silicone, I opted for the silicone...

Gypsy...:joint::peace:
 

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