MI Supreme court is going to review P2P
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Pimpernickel
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I just noticed this was posted all ready and is a page back, oops.
bob harris
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Not til fall....How would you like a ruling that said:
patients MAY transfer to other patients but CG'c may only transfer to their named patients.?
That would take most of the fun out of things for the "profiteers". It would also cover all the patient's ability to find meds.....And CG's though limited to assigned patients, are already allowed to make a reasonable amount for their services, which is all they want, if they care about patients......hmmm...that actually works for EVERYONE that is truly about medical cannabis.....it ONLY messes with people trying to profit off the patient....
Remember this thought come fall...
bye now
patients MAY transfer to other patients but CG'c may only transfer to their named patients.?
That would take most of the fun out of things for the "profiteers". It would also cover all the patient's ability to find meds.....And CG's though limited to assigned patients, are already allowed to make a reasonable amount for their services, which is all they want, if they care about patients......hmmm...that actually works for EVERYONE that is truly about medical cannabis.....it ONLY messes with people trying to profit off the patient....
Remember this thought come fall...
bye now
blissfest
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bob harris
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What about us Patient/Caregivers? Do we have more fun or what
Ability to be both eliminated....If you are a patient that grows, you can already help others under this scenario, plenty of patients that can't utilize all 12 plants they are given.....A paient that needs a care giver, can get one..or simply acquire from another patient. A care giver isn't a paient..they are a person that cares for patients.
Works all the way around for patients...and that is who we are trying to help, isn't it? Remember, our law as WE the people voted for it states a patient may appoint a care giver...it doesn't say a patient may appoint another patient to be a caregiver.......Nor does it suggest that someone can become a care giver,,then look for patients.
Yes, this thought does work....hmmm....for every one but those growing only for profit, makes it much harder for them...they'd have to transfer everything back to the patientss..and make only a simple wage for growing...then the patients could transfer their excess to other patients..that scenario at least makes it more difficult for the "farmer" as opposed to the Care Giver
Thank for pointing out that hole....
SketchyGrower
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I still think 12 is to low... But, then again I smoke a lot.
Beagle
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Anything over 2.5 oz is illegal. The law as voted in by We the people is very clear about that.
I pull 4-6 oz per plant, how is 12 not enough? If you ask me, it's too much given the 2.5 ounce maximum.
tomcatjones
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no. the law is clear that you are protected to have an uninterrupted supply.
but yes i agree. it ought to be more weight explicitly.
SketchyGrower
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Seeing as i like variety and testing new stuff out.. 12 is not a lot when dealing with moms/clones/veg plants/flower... Add a few different genetics in the mix and now your into the 15-20 plant area..(4-6oz plants are so cute).. Everyone automatically assumes that the extra plants are for Flower... Put a stipulation into the bill stating (max mature) and (max immature seedling/clones)
Beagle
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I don't keep mother plants. I take cuttings before I move my veg plants to flower. There is never more than 4 plants in my setup at any given time...which still yields way too much for my patients needs.
I appreciate your desire for variety. Have you tried grafting?
SketchyGrower
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I have strongly looked into it.. I never have more then 10 flowering 4weeks apart and then all the clones and veg plants (5veg)(10clones cut to first 5 that root) I don't keep moms very often.. Only if I don't want to run the strain for a couple runs... Plus my patients have certain needs I'm always looking to improve so, I run things they want (for example one loves TGA so I grabbed almost his whole list of gear. Running each ten pack (pheno hunting)is almost her whole limit. Add clones for each female and then we are well over her limit.. It's be much better if it were 12 flowering and say 12-24 immature but, that's just to good to ever pass..lol
Not quite true... yeah, that's how the courts have been interpreting it lately, but if you read the MMMA, the intention is clear: that the affirmative defense is to protect you not only when you don't have a card (only a doc's recommendation), but also when you go over your limits.
tomcatjones
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correct.
and if you have cancer.
there ought to be nothing legally to stop you from having an elbow on hand to make RSO/Phoenix Tears.
tomcatjones
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THIS.
oh man.. this is how i have explained it.. if they want us to all get easy bake ovens and make a 2.5oz brownie one at a time.. we'll do it. but that is insanity!
Timmahh
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I am sorry bob, but that part is not correct logically.
By the fact one Patient, assigns a person to be a caregiver, and that person already happens to be a patient, then that is exactly what the Act states.
A Pt may Assign a Caregiver, to assist in their medical use of cannabis.
no where does it say as a pt, you can not become the Caregiver of any other patient. only that as a a Pt, You must choose your CG, and the must not have a felony for a drug crime previously, and must be over 21 yrs old.
bob harris
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That's only what you want it to say....you like to think if something is not clearly forbidden, then it is legal by omission. Doesn't work that way. If it's not clearly defined..it's open for debate and bills to define it..when are you going to figure out how this works? I've fuckin spoon fed your ass, listened to you cry, and changed your diaper when you fill you pants.
And now you pitching for what sounds like the CPU, you are minion for hire, with your only talents being mis direction, confusion and lying....
And your argument is exactly right..no where does it say you may choose a patient to be a caregiver..it's says you may choose a caregiver....the law as written, as WE the people passed it, has a hole you could drive a truck trough, which could EASILY be "clarified" to make my exact scenario.
Then it's a simple matter of getting the State to Issue "dispensary licenses", much like a liquor license. Based on population of an area to determine the amount of dispensaries in a given town. Of course, those liscences will be expensive, assuring real business men are the only ones that can afford them. (dirty money won't pass the back ground checks).
Then a simple set up for those dispensaries to buy from Patient overages (I know they don't exist..you deny overages, yet cling to them as your income you two faced fuck) So I got 2.5 oz this cycle..I as a self grow patient, only need .5 this week so I can legally transfer 2 oz...and do so every week because I'm bright enough to stagger plant maturity times.
Since caregivers are all set on income for their labor, from their ASSIGNED patients..a cg can have no transfer to anyone but their connected patient. If they do go over with a patients plants..the overage belongs to the patient, not the CG. HOW DID YOU EVER READ "CULTIVATE FOR" as "TAKE OWNERSHIP OF"? Of course then the patient could transfer HIS overage that HE PAID the CG to grow for FOR HIM, to the dispensary, and net free meds for the patient. The law as written, makes the caregiver the gardener, not the fucking estate owner. The patient owns the fucking estate you moron..he just pays you to tend the garden...and that doesn't pay so well.
Now we have REAL patient benefit, True care givers getting a minimal income from the simple growing, and the only ones cut out are the ones TIMMAHH is working for...Profiteering Care Givers..those guys that think they "own" the patients plants, and the patients should only get 1 oz a month..while the CG goes to Timmahhs Farm Market and makes bank off the patients rights.Timmahh, you are a lying fork tounged puke, out to profit off those you claim to protect. the dirtiest kind of scum there is..I just hope others see it before it is too late.
But never mind..I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about...because I have no idea how the system works. Nor do I have your intelligence or knowledge of law to interpret things for my self.
We should all do as you suggested long ago...trust in YOUR distribution plan. You know, the one you must keep secret until it's announced by the house...ya right..you got no fucking plan other than to get yourself on a free ride money bandwagon no matter how many people you shit on along the way.
G'night buddy....give your newest overlord a call to see how to lie next..
Because all your boss wants to do is fuck the patient, fuck the legitimate CG, and make all the money controlling the majority of the grow.
You want to become the "BIG Pharma" of cannabis....and your just as willing to lie as the original Big Pharma people....your message isn't clear. It Transparent, I can see right through it, and I hope others can as well...or we're all gonna get screwed.
Timmahh
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um no bob. a Patient can assign a CG. the only limits to being a CG is you can not have a felony drug conviction and one must be 21 yrs old. that is all. no more no less. why else would a CG be allowed to have 72 plants, if he can only have 5 assigned patients, each having 12 plants.
OH I KNOW I KNOW> could it be the additional 12 plants are for the CG who could be a Patient as well bob?
see, no need for 3 or 4 paragraphs. the law is clear to understand. For the Citizens and Patients anyways.
your correct, I believe in our Laws, ALL OF THEM, not just the MMM Act which exactly imply, if it is not expressly forbidden, it is expressly legal. Thats how the USA works bob.
Self Responsible education is GREAT thing bob.
OH I KNOW I KNOW> could it be the additional 12 plants are for the CG who could be a Patient as well bob?
see, no need for 3 or 4 paragraphs. the law is clear to understand. For the Citizens and Patients anyways.
your correct, I believe in our Laws, ALL OF THEM, not just the MMM Act which exactly imply, if it is not expressly forbidden, it is expressly legal. Thats how the USA works bob.
Self Responsible education is GREAT thing bob.
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