MI new era cannabis regulations

I mean, that is why the records were confidential in the first place, at least that is how i read the updates. The existing lara database gets opened up...i could be wrong. Regardless, ive been knocking competition out year after year...its why im still here nearly 8 years later, while everyone else around me has long posted there set ups to craigslist.

Imo, where the fuck is the hipa rights we are supposed to have being it medical and all?

Grow Goddess said:

I see great opportunity, especially when it comes to oil and treating cancer.

The thought of competition excites me and this could be a great thing for patients. It will separate the men from the boys and women from the girls for sure, based upon quality and efficiency of oil making.

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Now I get it. You think 'they' are gonna let 'you' play with 'their' ball in 'their' court?? Bless ur heart. Ask uncle Pete from seed 2 cure how that is workin for him.. Bill Shuette's family is first in line for those licenses

For those that are sure I'm nutz? Let's look at clones? Law says "any medium " so when u put those cuts in a cup of water u better be counting them close if the man comes to call

I'm with you @NurseNancy420, these poor people don't think Lansing will screw them but we know better and they will when the popo arrests them and charges them with a felony for the slightest infraction. I'm a proud tin foil hat wearer.

NurseNancy420 said:

Now I get it. You think 'they' are gonna let 'you' play with 'their' ball in 'their' court?? Bless ur heart. Ask uncle Pete from seed 2 cure how that is workin for him.. Bill Shuette's family is first in line for those licenses

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I don't play dirty pool like Pete and I have no interest in obtaining a license for a dispensary or a large grow. I got into this to help people and I think I have done pretty well. As I recall, when Pete was on vacation and learned about the raids, he blatantly stated on his facebook page that his "primary source of income" has been jeopardized, taken away by LEO. Hmmm, what Pete and other caregivers do, well, I really don't care.

Did Pete ever say where he learned about the oil? Who he used to peddle his product in the beginning, his "Poster Boy"? If we turn the pages back, it was me and my first cancer patient. My patient went to cannabis camp and taught people how easy it is to make the oil. Then Pete ran with that and made it all his idea. This is the first time I have EVER come out with this, the truth. Oh, that's right, I NEVER charged any of my patients for the oil, nor did I ever provide product to someone who was not legally a patient connected to me through the program. My interest is in operating fully 100% legal. I teach people how to help themselves. My goal is not to make money off the sick like big pharma. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Pete, what he does is his business, in the end, only God knows the truth.

I think I have pretty clearly explained myself and why these new bills, soon to be law, can benefit patients.

I am very curious to know: Why is it you are so upset with these new bills? How does it negatively impact you or your patients? Is it because you are currently illegally selling your overages to dispensaries and these new bills will put an end to that? Are you operating like Pete, all about money, pretending it is all about patients?

Again, I don't run a big grow operation. I just run a small grow for the patients that are connected to me legally through the MMMP. Plenty for me and I am very happy I can provide my patients oil, legally in the very near future.

This is just a hobby for me. I work full time and have a stable job. I have no intentions of jeopardizing that. My grows simply pay for themselves, if I'm lucky.

Not looking to continue on with a ridiculous argument. Just trying to clear the air a bit.

We are all in a database already, doesn't mean they are gonna just be able to look at it whenever they want...

pergamum362 said:

i was more talking along the lines of unwarranted knock and searches, since we are all going into a database, wether we use a dispensary or not.

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Grow Goddess said:

I don't play dirty pool like Pete and I have no interest in obtaining a license for a dispensary or a large grow. I got into this to help people and I think I have done pretty well. As I recall, when Pete was on vacation and learned about the raids, he blatantly stated on his facebook page that his "primary source of income" has been jeopardized, taken away by LEO. Hmmm, what Pete and other caregivers do, well, I really don't care.

Did Pete ever say where he learned about the oil? Who he used to peddle his product in the beginning, his "Poster Boy"? If we turn the pages back, it was me and my first cancer patient. My patient went to cannabis camp and taught people how easy it is to make the oil. Then Pete ran with that and made it all his idea. This is the first time I have EVER come out with this, the truth. Oh, that's right, I NEVER charged any of my patients for the oil, nor did I ever provide product to someone who was not legally a patient connected to me through the program. My interest is in operating fully 100% legal. I teach people how to help themselves. My goal is not to make money off the sick like big pharma. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Pete, what he does is his business, in the end, only God knows the truth.

I think I have pretty clearly explained myself and why these new bills, soon to be law, can benefit patients.

I am very curious to know: Why is it you are so upset with these new bills? How does it negatively impact you or your patients? Is it because you are currently illegally selling your overages to dispensaries and these new bills will put an end to that? Are you operating like Pete, all about money, pretending it is all about patients?

Again, I don't run a big grow operation. I just run a small grow for the patients that are connected to me legally through the MMMP. Plenty for me and I am very happy I can provide my patients oil, legally in the very near future.

This is just a hobby for me. I work full time and have a stable job. I have no intentions of jeopardizing that. My grows simply pay for themselves, if I'm lucky.

Not looking to continue on with a ridiculous argument. Just trying to clear the air a bit.

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Nope haven't flowered much at all for three years.. enough to make seeds n new strains is it.
Not since my children where harmed over my being "perfectly legal "
My problem with these laws are the people who write them and the people who will be enforcing them...

Glad u hav a real job to support your hobby.. I quit mine if 20 years to try to educate our community as to the power it holds at the election booth..we have that power... I don't see that we have the will

Btw... never met Pete n mostly only heard of him thru people who did not care for him.. Still does not deserve to be robbed and his freedom taken.

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We are all in a database already, doesn't mean they are gonna just be able to look at it whenever they want...
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I hope your right, but you might want to dig a little deeper.

pergamum362 said:

I hope your right, but you might want to dig a little deeper.

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7 years in the program and not one time did I think that any of these cops knew...

Keep your cards to yourself and don't show it to anyone and you should be fine for now

For now.

pergamum362 said:

For now.

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Hey things can change, but nothing really has yet

Michiganmeds1982 said:

Hey things can change, but nothing really has yet

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No, it hasnt, but the program and rules, seed to sale trackinf has not been roled out yet. I dont think you got to read the pdf i put up, i only took it down until its posted on the other site since its not my work, and i didnt feel it right to release it until the authors do.

Michiganmeds1982 said:

7 years in the program and not one time did I think that any of these cops knew...

Keep your cards to yourself and don't show it to anyone and you should be fine for now

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Hate to say it but I'm pretty sure they can tell just by running your name. I'm not 100% but from listening to the police scanner once it sounded like they could. The guy wouldnt answer his door right away(probably over his count and/or weight and disposing of evidence was my guess) and they were saying something about medical mj. The dispatcher said something to the extent of I can just run his name. I wasn't paying real close attention but it seemed like what they said. I don't know how this doesn't violate the hippa act. I think Michigan owes all cardholers some lawsuit money if this is true.

I've had decent luck with cops since having a card.. I had a couple incidents that ended up not bad. I had a cop smell pot in my car years back. I showed him a caregiver license, never told him I was a patient and he can search me or the vehicle if he wants. He says to me why would I want to search? You have a card. Then that was it. I've had feds see a small legal grow at a friends residence whome I was care giving for around when MI first got medical laws. Only about 20 plants maybe. Wasn't anything to even do with me or the weed. They were there to pick up a couple real criminals. They just checked the paperwork and searched the grow for evidence. It was pretty serious and sure scared the fuck out of me and stressed me out for months. I live in a good area though if you keep to yourself and don't cause trouble. Also depends what dickhead cop you get though. Always helps to make friends with them. Like a keep your friends close and enemies closer type thing. They do play favorites and they do spill private info to their friends. I've seen it going on for years where I live.

abe supercro said:

Bringing concentrates back into the mix is the only good aspect I'm convinced about regarding these bills. But then again, why would concentrates ever been prohibited in the first place? Politicos jerk our chains, then expect us to have gratitude for feeding us bread crumbs back. Something is not right about that, yet many fall for it, like that guy who is stoked he's 'allowed' to grow his own (for now).

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As much as I do not agree with any type of prohibition against cannabis (except for minors or the irresponsible), this is how it is. It is frustrating to be "fed bread crumbs" like this, but again, that is how it is. I don't want to be "that guy", but if you don't like it, leave. No one is telling you that you HAVE to deal with the coming changes. Sure, no one wants to move, but you also don't want to sit around and be handed small gains either, right? So, what is a better option? Maybe I am biased, as I flirt with the idea of "homesteading" quite often, but I would much rather purchase 30 acres, live right in the middle, and do whatever the Hell I want. Sure, if you are mindful of legalities (which I can imagine most people on a marijuana growing website are not) there are still restrictions on your freedom, but for all intensive purposes you can do whatever you want. Shit, I've seen people with two acres have 60+ plants outside, all but 12 illegal. You could fit tons over thirty acres, and still have enough room to golf, if you are mindful of trees.

Yeah, it fucking sucks having to deal with stupid laws, but at the end of the day, it's nice to not wake up to my community being as war-torn as Mosul. I'm not saying give up freedoms to be "protected" but Jesus Christ, some people act like the government is coming in asking for you for a stool sample and a list of everyone you've ever spoken to. If you can't deal with laws and regulations, live in a way where you don't pay them any mind. Whether you choose to do it in a way that greatly minimizes risk of capture is up to you.

Maybe I'm just fucking up, because I feel like these new regulations don't affect me or my patients (as I can tell so far) but I really don't see the big deal here. Sure, I think it's a bit wrong that there are only a few growing centers with a lot of plants, but if I don't go on what "could" happen (end up with pesticide ridden [pesticides always being necessary INDOORS, obviously] swill being the big one) and look at what will happen (mandatory testing being the one thing I really care about) and already that shows that this might not be such a bad idea; comparing a "possibility" to a "definite".

Again, maybe I'm just fucking up, but this is just how I see it. If you don't like what's in the works (like home cultivation being abolished), don't abide by it and do whatever you want. I would wager it is much easier to do what I described than to try to get the world to conform to the views of a Mr. Abe Supercro.

So I guess the Virgin crowd has spoken...again.. run, quit, or believe Lucy is gonna hold that football for ya this time Charlie Brown....SMFH

I really don't see any other options besides moving away, going illegal, quitting, or having faith. It's either that or be illegal, which is the best choice if it's the only choice. Look, I'm not saying that you act like a stray dog and take what is given to you after, and only after, begging; being happy with that. The fight for decriminalization/legalization is definitely a cause that I support. However, that is exactly what those two concepts are: a fight. So this is how I see it (and please, inform me of something that I may be missing):

We are not yet free to go about as we please, sowing seeds to and fro.Yet, with medical, some people have grown a business or have totally alleviated themselves from paying for medicine (overhead excluded)

With the changing of the laws, some care givers may go out of business. Or they might change the laws completely and disallow for caregivers or home cultivation in general.

Given that you are a caretaker or a medical patient that does not use the dispensary, you have four options: quit, move to somewhere that you have your former rights, switch to the dispensary (not really applicable if you just lost your job as a caretaker), or go illegal.

That's it. Sure you can fight the fight for patients rights to be restored, but if they are already removed then we face the same problem as with the "fight for legalization" delima.

As far as I know, as long as caregivers are allowed to operate then dispensaries shouldn't be a problem. If people are switching to a dispensary and not going through a caretaker it is most likely for a reason. We know that they are not cheaper than a care giver, so the only other reasons to switch are quality or ease of access. Ultimately, isn't that better for the patient? This is medical, after all.

Again, please, let me know if I am missing something here.

prostheticninja said:

, maybe I'm just fucking up, but this is just how I see it. If you don't like what's in the works (like home cultivation being abolished), don't abide by it and do whatever you want. I would wager it is much easier to do what I described than to try to get the world to conform to the views of a Mr. Abe Supercro.

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I'm not pushing anything, I just started the thread. You can call me abe.

If people did as you say, and didnt fight for what they want, there would be no medical marijuanna, much less "legalized" recreational marijuanna anywhere.

The problem here, is if they do end up stripping home growing rights from patients and caregivers, were does that leave patients on ssid or even ssi? As we know MANY patients are severely limited on income...what would you say to these people? Runaway? How?