Men under 30 have been unintentionally brought up as libertarians

billy4479

Moderator
the one thing the sucks about are generation is that we watch bush get elected 2x with alot of discrepancy as to if he really won like this cultural teaching that your vote doesnt matter the guy you see on tv the most is the man they have already chosen to be the next presdent .....it sucks there a bob marley qoute

Build your penitentiary, we build your schools,
Brainwash education to make us the fools.
Hate is your reward for our love,
Telling us of your God above.
 

sync0s

Well-Known Member
Another push for libertarianism :)

[video=youtube;SzoPtWSOjBY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzoPtWSOjBY&feature=feedu[/video]
 

Charlie Ventura

Active Member
Republicans were Democrats at one time, then realized that progressive policies were working against them economically.

Libertarians are those very same Republicans that finally came to the conclusion that they were being mugged by both parties.

Young Libertarians were raised by old Libertarian parents that passed along the freedom and liberty ideology to their children.

Speaking from personal experience, of course. :)
 

Prefontaine

Well-Known Member
So how do you propose grandma pays for her astronomically high medical expenses then? Surely she's old and frail and is essentially unfit for a job, but she can afford it right? What do you think will happen when the poorest segment of society gets too old to work and has no wealth built for a legitimate retirement?
Well she'd have an easier time paying for those meds if her SS income wasnt taxed.
 

WillyBagseed

Active Member
Reagan started the tax on disabled and old peoples social security. Just like he raised most taxes on the middle class whilst lowering the top rates.... Republicans seem to "forget" this.. lol
 

UncleBuck

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Republicans were Democrats at one time, then realized that progressive policies were working against them economically.
i thought it was the whole "southern strategy", i.e., catering to the bigoted fears of southerners that flipped the democratic south to solid red.

i guess ya learn something new every day.
 

Prefontaine

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Willyßagseed;6073066 said:
Reagan started the tax on disabled and old peoples social security. Just like he raised most taxes on the middle class whilst lowering the top rates.... Republicans seem to "forget" this.. lol
Yeah and both parties are nothing but a big bowl of shit looking itself in the mirror, alot of 2 party system believers forget this.
 

hazyintentions

Well-Known Member
Willyßagseed;6073066 said:
Reagan started the tax on disabled and old peoples social security. Just like he raised most taxes on the middle class whilst lowering the top rates.... Republicans seem to "forget" this.. lol
I am not defending Reagan but I wanted to just do some simple math here.

Let's say you are a CEO of a small time corporation, or a proud owner of a small business that is booming and you make an annual income of $500,000 a year and file as the head of the household.

According to the 2011 tax bracket you first off have to pay $106,637.50 from the baseline income of the top tier bracket which is $379,150 PLUS you then owe 35% of everything you make over the $379,150.

So $500,000.00
-$106,637.50
$393,362.50 <--- This is what your down to just after the baseline tax. Then you have to subtract another 35% off everything you made over $379,150.00 So that's 35% of $120,850 which comes out too $42,297.50

$393,362.50
- $ 42,297.50
$351,065.50 <--- That number is what you net only after federal taxes, not including the states cut, and whatever you would have to pay into SS.

If you that person you just handed the government $148,935 before any deductions simply in income taxes. Percentage wise that is 29.79% (rounded) of your income. 1/3 Just chopped right off. Money your probably worked hard for from a position you spent most of your life straining to get.

$148,935..


Compared to more common income of say $70,000 from simplicities sake. Once again, assuming Head of household filing status. Out of that gross number you would be taxed $12,267.50 before any deductions. That's 18.11% of your gross income. A lower rate than the "top tier" earners. (For simplicity sake I didn't put up the steps as before because , well the number just aren't as mind boggling)

Now let's put those numbers side by side

$148,935 vs. $12,267.50
(29.79% of a $500k gross income) (18.11% of a $70k gross income)

Not only are the rich going to pay almost 10% more than what I consider a "middle class" salary and they pay more than 12 times as much income tax as the person earning 70k.

Their water does come out 12 times faster,or 12 times hotter. Their returns don't come back 12 times quicker and the police don't respond for them 12 times quicker do they?

My point is I'm tired of this "the rich have to do their part. Pay their fair share" montra, it's completely bullshit. The top 1% earners in this country covers almost 95% of the taxes our government "collects" from us.

Class warfare is at an end and it's just beating a dead horse. Would do we allow the country villainize the rich whom not only pay more percentage wise but pay many times the amount of tax we do?

I am not rich, I am on the very opposite end but I am sick of this mindset I keep seeing that somehow the rich are "responsible" for the bad yet they are the key supporters when it comes to keeping the government pumped full of money. It's fallout and blame meant to distort us. The rich should not be a target or a villain..
 

txpete77

Well-Known Member
My point is I'm tired of this "the rich have to do their part. Pay their fair share" montra, it's completely bullshit. The top 1% earners in this country covers almost 95% of the taxes our government "collects" from us.

Class warfare is at an end and it's just beating a dead horse. Would do we allow the country villainize the rich whom not only pay more percentage wise but pay many times the amount of tax we do?
It's all about punishing those for rising above others...

I don't know if class warfare will ever end, at least in my life.
 
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