Medical Marijuana in Jeopardy

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hic

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stumpjumper said:
Here's a scenario.. Schuette gets his way and all patient/doctor relationships have to be with a traditional doctor with an extensive medical history.

This isn't all bad because the card mills need to go, but here is what happens; Due to this new revision of the law, HIPPA laws would not cover all of these people who went to the wrong kind of doctor because they would claim it was not a real Dr or whatever. So now they can give LEO's all of this information without breaking HIPPA laws. Then the police start knocking down all of the doors of every single patient and caregiver that went through these mills. Can you see the money making opportunity for the state here?

I'm all for the card mills being shut down, but I'm sure legit patients have used them. They are close to home, cheap and people might not even be aware of the difference. Not everyone is educated on any of the issues.

Maybe I'm full of shit, I don't know but I would not put this scenario past the state.
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I am not educated on such matters. This is why we are all usefull as a group.
 
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jonnynobody

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stumpjumper said:
So you're saying they will not succeed in making the planned ammendments that Schuette is proposing. You better hope not, because one of those plans is to distribute the names and addresses of all Caregivers and patients to law enforcement.

The AG and state senators are having meetings on all of this shit and voting on it Sept 7. I'm glad you are confident enough to kick back and relax with no worries.

Seriously not worried, or an ostrich with it's head in the sand, I dunno. No offence JoC, but I guess you just have more faith in our system than I do.
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I respect your concerns but you need to acknowledge the near impossible logistics of amending a voter approved ballot initiative in this state. Joc doesn't have his head in the sand and neither do I. We simply understand the political process in this state and the near impossibility of getting bi-partisan support in the state house & senate to overturn a voter approved ballot initiative with a 75% super majority. This rule was implemented in the michigan state constitution under §9 to specifically protect the democratic will of the people from being overturned by a rogue state legislature.

Do yourself a favor and find me the last voter approved initiative in the state of michigan that was overturned by a super majority in the state legislature. If you find NONE the same way that I found NONE then that should put things into perspective for you as to how easy the process is. Michigan is one of only 10 states that has these strong voter protections to limit the legislature's ability to unilaterally ignore the will of the voters.

You can thank the founders of this state for offering us these exceptional protections against the tyranny of a rogue legislature.
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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They are not trying to overturn it, they are trying to ammend it. Is that the same thing? I hope you are right I really do, and no I do not have a solid grasp on what they can actually achive or not achieve. Like I said, I really hope you are right.
 
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jonnynobody

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stumpjumper said:
They are not trying to overturn it, they are trying to ammend it. Is that the same thing? I hope you are right I really do, and no I do not have a solid grasp on what they can actually achive or not achieve. Like I said, I really hope you are right.
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It requires a super majority of 75% to either repeal or amend a voter passed initiative. Keep in mind that the MMMA was a voter approved INITIATIVE, not a voter approved REFERENDUM. The 2 are subject to different rules on modification / repeal per the state constitution so do not be confused by the 2 separate terms. A voter passed referendum can be modified with a simple majority vote; an initiative cannot.

Art. II, §9 CONSTITUTION OF MICHIGAN OF 1963 (Page 8)

Initiative or referendum law;
effective date, veto, amendment and repeal.

Any law submitted to the people by either initiative or referendum petition and approved by
a majority of the votes cast thereon at any election shall take effect 10 days after the date of the
official declaration of the vote. No law initiated or adopted by the people shall be subject to the
veto power of the governor, and no law adopted by the people at the polls under the initiative
provisions of this section shall be amended or repealed, except by a vote of the electors unless
otherwise provided in the initiative measure or by three-fourths of the members elected to and
serving in each house of the legislature. Laws approved by the people under the referendum
provision of this section may be amended by the legislature at any subsequent session thereof.
If two or more measures approved by the electors at the same election conflict, that receiving
the highest affirmative vote shall prevail.

I will correct my earlier statement though for accuracy as I've researched the initiative amendment process more thoroughly and discovered that if a super majority were to pass an amendment in both the state house and senate, the amendment would become law without the governor's signature. Just wanted to clarify to a T...
 
jesus of Cannabis

jesus of Cannabis

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they can make all the amendments they want, let the cops waste their time and come over to my house and see what I have, pretty f-n disappointing if they expect more than 6.
and my health insurance is thru my wife so it is no connected to me :-)

No worries
 
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