Matured airy colas, how come?

Star Dog

Star Dog

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5 plants all using the same light, feed etc, 2 big plants in 10 ltr pots and 3 plants in 3 litre pots, the 3ltr (1gal)have done fine?
The two in the 10ltr are very poor and certainly don't resemble the mother.

One of the large plants was a clone from a known mother it's iron clad sound, all through flower they've been kept healthy, EC maintained religiously, never went dry, I didn't have any reason for concern until around 50 days when I suspected they weren't filling/bulking up like normal.
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It's to late for any cure but i'd like to find the cause none the less.

I'm lost for reasons to shite bud from a healthy well maintained plant, it's still very resinous with dense pieces and it tastes and smells fkg amazing so it's not a total loss.

Anyone any ideas that ticks all the boxes?
 
Rurumo

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This is why people like to keep choice mother plants. It's common to see a wide range of phenos in a pack of seeds from most breeders-that's just nature of today's polyhybrid "breeding". It's a nice plant, it'll be great smoke, but if you want more reliability in the future, stick with clones from a known mommy.
 
jondamon

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Star Dog said:
5 plants all using the same light, feed etc, 2 big plants in 10 ltr pots and 3 plants in 3 litre pots, the 3ltr (1gal)have done fine?
The two in the 10ltr are very poor and certainly don't resemble the mother.

One of the large plants was a clone from a known mother it's iron clad sound, all through flower they've been kept healthy, EC maintained religiously, never went dry, I didn't have any reason for concern until around 50 days when I suspected they weren't filling/bulking up like normal.
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It's to late for any cure but i'd like to find the cause none the less.

I'm lost for reasons to shite bud from a healthy well maintained plant, it's still very resinous with dense pieces and it tastes and smells fkg amazing so it's not a total loss.

Anyone any ideas that ticks all the boxes?
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You say the clones in the 3 litres have done better than the 10L.

were the 10L airports?

the 10L plants seem to have black/purple leaves. Did the 3L have the same colouration of the leaves?

What EC were you feeding the 3L pots and what EC where you feeding the 10L pots?
 
lusidghost

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Rurumo said:
This is why people like to keep choice mother plants. It's common to see a wide range of phenos in a pack of seeds from most breeders-that's just nature of today's polyhybrid "breeding". It's a nice plant, it'll be great smoke, but if you want more reliability in the future, stick with clones from a known mommy.
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I've been hunting for new mothers and the inconsistencies are starting to drive me crazy. This plant looks amazing, but this plant is wanting more cal mag, this plant is wanting more PK, this plant is looking like it has fetal alcohol syndrome, ect ect. I have two more cycles of seeds to sort through and then I'm getting back to exclusively running clones. Seeds are for the birds.
 
Star Dog

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jondamon said:
You say the clones in the 3 litres have done better than the 10L.

were the 10L airports?

the 10L plants seem to have black/purple leaves. Did the 3L have the same colouration of the leaves?

What EC were you feeding the 3L pots and what EC where you feeding the 10L pots?
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All of them were airpots, the dark colour is blackberry.
Here's a photo of the canopy, it's deceiving the blackberry takes up 2/3rd of the space.
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The EC was the same for both strains they appeared quite happy with it 1.0/1.2
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This was them at 41/42 days right after thining them.

Edit this'll give a better perspective, you can see the shorter plants to the front only take up 4 squares.
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Star Dog

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lusidghost said:
I've been hunting for new mothers and the inconsistencies are starting to drive me crazy. This plant looks amazing, but this plant is wanting more cal mag, this plant is wanting more PK, this plant is looking like it has fetal alcohol syndrome, ect ect. I have two more cycles of seeds to sort through and then I'm getting back to exclusively running clones. Seeds are for the birds.
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It's not a fun process, I wish you the best from it.
I got sick with seeds to the point of giving it up for a spell, when I got back into it, it wasn't going to be without keeping mothers, its good working with known clones that you've got the measure of, I've found i need to grow a plant a couple of times before I get the best out of it, sort of learning it's traits.
 
lusidghost

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Star Dog said:
It's not a fun process, I wish you the best from it.
I got sick with seeds to the point of giving it up for a spell, when I got back into it, it wasn't going to be without keeping mothers, its good working with known clones that you've got the measure of, I've found i need to grow a plant a couple of times before I get the best out of it, sort of learning it's traits.
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There's nothing better than knowing your plants like they're your kids. Pheno inconsistencies aside, knowing exactly what they are supposed to look like at every stage, and how much light and nutrients they desire makes everything so much easier. Plus you can make long term plans because you know long they take to finish.
 
jondamon

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Star Dog said:
All of them were airpots, the dark colour is blackberry.
Here's a photo of the canopy, it's deceiving the blackberry takes up 2/3rd of the space.
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The EC was the same for both strains they appeared quite happy with it 1.0/1.2
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This was them at 41/42 days right after thining them.

Edit this'll give a better perspective, you can see the shorter plants to the front only take up 4 squares.
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It’s making me think that the 10L pots could have done with higher EC.

were the feeding frequencies the same for both 3L and 10L?
 
Star Dog

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jondamon said:
It’s making me think that the 10L pots could have done with higher EC.

were the feeding frequencies the same for both 3L and 10L?
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Yes both the same frequency 7 times a day at peak?

Edit... I didn't see any signs of deficiencies but a check of my notes says it was 1.4ec at peak last crop.
 
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Star Dog

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Bukvičák said:
Nowadays, out of 10 seeds you will find only one which is worth the time and effort. Pheno hunt my bro!
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I didn't realise it was so labour intensive, I kept clones from each plant the last cycle, this time and in future I'll re veg the best ones.
 
getogrow

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I have had the same results with way different strains. I have noticed that some strains just seem to like being bound up in smaller pots. This is rare for me but i cant "see" anything wrong so thats all i could come up with.... Good luck brother! that pheno looks like it would be tough to diagnose.

EDIT: She is just pretty as hell. What pheno is that ?
 
70's natureboy

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Star Dog said:
All of them were airpots, the dark colour is blackberry.
Here's a photo of the canopy, it's deceiving the blackberry takes up 2/3rd of the space.
View attachment 4881106
The EC was the same for both strains they appeared quite happy with it 1.0/1.2
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This was them at 41/42 days right after thining them.

Edit this'll give a better perspective, you can see the shorter plants to the front only take up 4 squares.
View attachment 4881113
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These buds look nice. The buds in the first post are 110% sativa calyx stackers. They might need a little tweaking with the nutes to make them plumper. I don't see any phosphorus burn like a lot of pics I see. They could probably handle some Kool Bloom. They may be a weird strain that never plumps up. It looks like killer smoke though.
 
Star Dog

Star Dog

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getogrow said:
EDIT: She is just pretty as hell. What pheno is that ?
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It’s sensi seeds blackberry cake.

I'm going to give another go in the form of a small pot and few colas just rule out errors from me, I've got a autopot doing nothing, another fkn round of seeds, needs must :-)

It's got a fantastic sweet smell with like a grape/sherbety tang, when you smell it's almost like a vapour coming from it, if you think of floor polish but in a pleasant sense lol
Oddly enough it isn't remotely loud anymore?
 
Star Dog

Star Dog

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70's natureboy said:
These buds look nice. The buds in the first post are 110% sativa calyx stackers. They might need a little tweaking with the nutes to make them plumper. I don't see any phosphorus burn like a lot of pics I see. They could probably handle some Kool Bloom. They may be a weird strain that never plumps up. It looks like killer smoke though.
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Cheers man, the ones at the front are white widow I've noticed there's two different growth patterns, the photos crap for detail but you might see that the one to the right is covered in brown pistols but the one to left only has very few, I'm not concerned or bothered I'm just curious why that difference is assuming there is a reason for it, presumably just traits from different parents?
 
Bukvičák

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Star Dog said:
I didn't realise it was so labour intensive, I kept clones from each plant the last cycle, this time and in future I'll re veg the best ones.
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Exactly, but the problem is, which one is the fire...? This you will know two weeks after chop. So keep all of them untill it hits the grinder, do not get fooled during the final flower and how do they “smell and look” just before chop. Final product is what counts.
 
Star Dog

Star Dog

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Bukvičák said:
Exactly, but the problem is, which one is the fire...? This you will know two weeks after chop. So keep all of them untill it hits the grinder, do not get fooled during the final flower and how do they “smell and look” just before chop. Final product is what counts.
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Omg I clearly didn't put much thought into that.
I never considered me having to bag and number each plant/bag individually then me and my brother then went through them testing/tasting them once dried, all in its a time consuming process.

Oh shit.. I've realised I am going to need a clone from each :-(
 
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