Losing color in leaves and branches drooping.

Chuck721

Chuck721

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Sprouted seeds hit soil on July 2 and have turned into these two GirlScout Cookies plants and GG#4 on the right. The plant closest and left took off like a rocket after three weeks and kept growing so fast that I had to top it at the seventh internode. The other GSC behind it with a normal deep green to it’s leaves and trichomes beginning to form an even blanket is the only one that did NOT run out of water and droop. My question is: Can running low or out of water for a short time frame cause this lack of green and drooping branches a week later? The Gorilla Glue bounced back pretty well. The GSC in the foreground also has half finished buds and all were planted at the same time and sprouted the same day.
All three just went under 600w HPS yesterday morning and I thought I’d have a better reaction but they’ve stayed the same after the second day and the GSC that matured very fast now has branches drooping.as well. The top pic is two weeks ago and it has plenty of deep green to it.
Ifeel as though the plant went supersonic and I didn’t provide enough flowering light and it’s almost at the end of its flowering cycle with puny buds. Oh well. I’m still learning as I will always be learning and having fun doing it. Any input will be greatly appreciated. 19A7BCD5-AD80-4D5A-940D-3C28091774D5.jpeg 4752913F-96DD-472E-8556-77B03E2ED316.jpeg
 
rob333

rob333

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Chuck721 said:
Sprouted seeds hit soil on July 2 and have turned into these two GirlScout Cookies plants and GG#4 on the right. The plant closest and left took off like a rocket after three weeks and kept growing so fast that I had to top it at the seventh internode. The other GSC behind it with a normal deep green to it’s leaves and trichomes beginning to form an even blanket is the only one that did NOT run out of water and droop. My question is: Can running low or out of water for a short time frame cause this lack of green and drooping branches a week later? The Gorilla Glue bounced back pretty well. The GSC in the foreground also has half finished buds and all were planted at the same time and sprouted the same day.
All three just went under 600w HPS yesterday morning and I thought I’d have a better reaction but they’ve stayed the same after the second day and the GSC that matured very fast now has branches drooping.as well. The top pic is two weeks ago and it has plenty of deep green to it.
Ifeel as though the plant went supersonic and I didn’t provide enough flowering light and it’s almost at the end of its flowering cycle with puny buds. Oh well. I’m still learning as I will always be learning and having fun doing it. Any input will be greatly appreciated. View attachment 4197663 View attachment 4197657
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something is seriously wrong if they are under a 600hps are u sure its a 600?you got no lack of colour just a very small stretched out plant bro
 
rob333

rob333

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Chuck721 said:
Sprouted seeds hit soil on July 2 and have turned into these two GirlScout Cookies plants and GG#4 on the right. The plant closest and left took off like a rocket after three weeks and kept growing so fast that I had to top it at the seventh internode. The other GSC behind it with a normal deep green to it’s leaves and trichomes beginning to form an even blanket is the only one that did NOT run out of water and droop. My question is: Can running low or out of water for a short time frame cause this lack of green and drooping branches a week later? The Gorilla Glue bounced back pretty well. The GSC in the foreground also has half finished buds and all were planted at the same time and sprouted the same day.
All three just went under 600w HPS yesterday morning and I thought I’d have a better reaction but they’ve stayed the same after the second day and the GSC that matured very fast now has branches drooping.as well. The top pic is two weeks ago and it has plenty of deep green to it.
Ifeel as though the plant went supersonic and I didn’t provide enough flowering light and it’s almost at the end of its flowering cycle with puny buds. Oh well. I’m still learning as I will always be learning and having fun doing it. Any input will be greatly appreciated. View attachment 4197663 View attachment 4197657
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looks like a hermie to be honest
 
Chuck721

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rob333 said:
something is seriously wrong if they are under a 600hps are u sure its a 600?you got no lack of colour just a very small stretched out plant bro
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Second day under HPS. Most time was under 45 watt LED panels augmented with100w CFLs. I only expected a more lively response from the plant after a couple of days and no male flowers present.
 
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How many days in flower are these? Your plants are super green, along with the curling / clawing leaves...could be an indication of N toxicity. At a certain point in flower you have to begin tapering off on the N or your plants will begin to show ill effects. What are you feeding them in terms of strength and NPK ratio?
 
Chuck721

Chuck721

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CannaCountry said:
How many days in flower are these? Your plants are super green, along with the curling / clawing leaves...could be an indication of N toxicity. At a certain point in flower you have to begin tapering off on the N or your plants will begin to show ill effects. What are you feeding them in terms of strength and NPK ratio?
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I’ve gone to using big bloom and some tiger bloom for flowering
 
Chuck721

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hotrodharley said:
You've got some canoeing going on upper leaves. Heat issue and possibly pH issues. Have air moving well?
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When I removed them from the box the big GSC plant was hitting the 300w LED light so the burning I understand. I also was augmenting with CFL bulbs and fell behind schedule on getting the tent so the burns I understand but nitrogen toxicity makes sense also.
 
Chuck721

Chuck721

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CannaCountry said:
How many days in flower are these? Your plants are super green, along with the curling / clawing leaves...could be an indication of N toxicity. At a certain point in flower you have to begin tapering off on the N or your plants will begin to show ill effects. What are you feeding them in terms of strength and NPK ratio?
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hotrodharley said:
You've got some canoeing going on upper leaves. Heat issue and possibly pH issues. Have air moving well?
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I need a amall oscillating fan for the HPS I know.
 
Chuck721

Chuck721

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CannaCountry said:
How many days in flower are these? Your plants are super green, along with the curling / clawing leaves...could be an indication of N toxicity. At a certain point in flower you have to begin tapering off on the N or your plants will begin to show ill effects. What are you feeding them in terms of strength and NPK ratio?
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Should I go to using just water or maybe light amount of only tiger bloom to set N toxicity straight?
 
Logan Burke

Logan Burke

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Do you have some airflow going over their tops? Looks like they could maybe use a breeze, but the thinner stems could also very well be from being under the other, weaker lights. Either way, cannabis loves a good breeze! Oscilating fans and/or those little desk fans with clips clipped somewhere close to the canopy have served me well. :)
 
Chuck721

Chuck721

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Logan Burke said:
Do you have some airflow going over their tops? Looks like they could maybe use a breeze, but the thinner stems could also very well be from being under the other, weaker lights. Either way, cannabis loves a good breeze! Oscilating fans and/or those little desk fans with clips clipped somewhere close to the canopy have served me well. :)
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Logan thanks. You just reminded me that I need to go right back to the store lol
 
Chuck721

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Update. I have done a tepid water flush of about 48oz, Zerowater filtered tapwater and there has not been a negative response. Plants are perkier and GG#4 continuing to stretch.
2 questions:
1. I can’t get Lucas treatment except by fedex so when do I introduce a half strength Tiger Bloom fert mix? One week?
2. Do I cut off lower branches close to the soil line and/or lollipop them for budding?

Pics: Smaller lower water leaf and larger upper water leaf from GG#4

GG#4 front view

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Logan Burke

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Too much Nitrogen buddy...next to the dark, dark green leave is another smaller leaf clawing. Tale tale N toxicity. I've heard good and bad about lollipopping....but I wouldn't take entire branches off unless they're prohibiting other buds from getting light personally, but plenty of people report good results with heavy pruning. Just doesn't work well for me. As far as your Tiger Bloom/PK boosters go, that's about right, I'd wait between 1 and 2 weeks before giving a PK booster, rather than in that preflower stage. It looks like yours are pretty much out of or coming out of preflower, you could probably go ahead and start giving them just a little bit of the Tiger Bloom...just start easy and it won't cause any probs. Can always back off. :) Looking good!
 
Chuck721

Chuck721

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Logan Burke said:
Too much Nitrogen buddy...next to the dark, dark green leave is another smaller leaf clawing. Tale tale N toxicity. I've heard good and bad about lollipopping....but I wouldn't take entire branches off unless they're prohibiting other buds from getting light personally, but plenty of people report good results with heavy pruning. Just doesn't work well for me. As far as your Tiger Bloom/PK boosters go, that's about right, I'd wait between 1 and 2 weeks before giving a PK booster, rather than in that preflower stage. It looks like yours are pretty much out of or coming out of preflower, you could probably go ahead and start giving them just a little bit of the Tiger Bloom...just start easy and it won't cause any probs. Can always back off. :) Looking good!
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One last question. Would it be beneficial to remove the last of the N toxic water leaves from the top of the GG#4 plant to allow more light since the rest of the new growth is very perky now?
 
JohnDee

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Chuck721 said:
One last question. Would it be beneficial to remove the last of the N toxic water leaves from the top of the GG#4 plant to allow more light since the rest of the new growth is very perky now?
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N is a very mobile element and moves about quite rapidly. So those leaves will recover...

But if you are going to prune anyway (a personal decision) then just do it. People who defoliate seem to do it in two stages. Before the flip and toward the end of stretch.
JD
 
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