LETS JUST SAY THE LARGER PLANT IS BETTY, AND THE SMALLER OF THE TWO IS SAM. well long story short: i tried a technique from another member from another forum. lol, it was called dirtyshydro, lol. anyway, it consited of using rockwool, a regular plastic pot, and hydroton. the technique was "dipping" the whole pot in the solution. like a reverse flood tabe i guess. this idea kept my medium so wet the plants were acually growing slower than dirt. afer about a month of this, when they were big enough, 12", i switched to 12/12 just to get the grow over with, and start over. while they were 2 weeks in flower i decided to take clones off of them and reveg everything. this took about 20-30 days to get out of a funk. well alot of clones died, and i only kept a couple. but the 2 mothers you see here were still heathly. i was getting into this forum dwc section, and decided to stick one in a dwc bucket. needless to say, i threw BETTY in the bucket . she took off fast man. so as a few weeks went by i figured i could fit another bucket in the cabinet. went to the store baught supplys. its been 2 weeks and you can see SAM has done her share of growing. i was going to let them veg a little longer, but i have genetics on the way. also if i think about it they have been vegging for about 3 months now with lots of topping, and training. needless to say, dirtysponics dosnt do it for me. thanks for askin, braught me back.