Looks like congress is eyeing making Pot legal federally

The problem I see with full blown legalalization to sell is. The goverment. Once you make something for human consumption. The goverment needs to step in to regulate it so people arent smoking insecticides and what not. Then big tobacco will step in and buy some congressmen and get laws passed for Licensing to protect their market.
national sentiment has change from Marijuana is bad to Marijuana crime is bad. If you make it legal to possess and grow illegal to sell. You dont have to worry about crime syndicates, big tobacco or the goverment.
No one regulates growing tomatoes in your back yard. but they will step in if you try to sell them to the supermarket.

ChesusRice said:

The problem I see with full blown legalalization to sell is. The goverment. Once you make something for human consumption. The goverment needs to step in to regulate it so people arent smoking insecticides and what not. Then big tobacco will step in and buy some congressmen and get laws passed for Licensing to protect their market.
national sentiment has change from Marijuana is bad to Marijuana crime is bad. If you make it legal to possess and grow illegal to sell. You dont have to worry about crime syndicates, big tobacco or the goverment.
No one regulates growing tomatoes in your back yard. but they will step in if you try to sell them to the supermarket.

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So you don't even advocate a licensing system for sale then?

Isn't that technically a larger control than Govt involvement would include?

EDIT: Even IF big tobacco bought the market, at least consumers would still be able to buy it...no?

abandonconflict said:

I wonder who predicted that cannabis would be rescheduled...

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It has two directions to go. I can't see Sched 3, but who knows? That would be a heavy back hand for the States.

Harrekin said:

So you don't even advocate a licensing system for sale then?

Isn't that technically a larger control than Govt involvement would include?

EDIT: Even IF big tobacco bought the market, at least consumers would still be able to buy it...no?

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We already have a licensing system for boozE and tobacco not to mention pharmaceuticals. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. How would that benefit you or me?

ChesusRice said:

We already have a licensing system for boozE and tobacco not to mention pharmaceuticals. We are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. How would that benefit you or me?

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I can go to the shop after work and buy weed?

Harrekin said:

I can go to the shop after work and buy weed?

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What if you want to grow it?

"Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are, rather, forced upon parliaments from without. And even their enactment into law has for a long time been no guarantee of their security. Just as the employers always try to nullify every concession they had made to labor as soon as opportunity offered, as soon as any signs of weakness were observable in the workers' organizations, so governments also are always inclined to restrict or to abrogate completely rights and freedoms that have been achieved if they imagine that the people will put up no resistance. Even in those countries where such things as freedom of the press, right of assembly, right of combination, and the like have long existed, governments are constantly trying to restrict those rights or to reinterpret them by juridical hair-splitting. Political rights do not exist because they have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them will meet with the violent resistance of the populace. Where this is not the case, there is no help in any parliamentary Opposition or any Platonic appeals to the constitution." ~Rudolf Rocker

Now is the time to openly defy cannabis prohibition. We have only the rights we demand.

ChesusRice said:

What if you want to grow it?

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You should be able to grow it freely, legalisation brings variety tho so I could try a gram of this or a gram of that without putting 3 months into it.

Also a failed harvest would be fine, cos youd be able to purchase it to keep you going.

Your system wouldn't work because in the view of the Govt, they'd still have all the negatives attached to cannabis (the dealers wont stop dealing) and no benefit for them (ie. revenue).

abandonconflict said:

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Now is the time to openly defy cannabis prohibition. We have only the rights we demand.

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No. We have the 9th. We have all Rights. "...only the ones demanded"...No. Maybe elsewhere. Not here. This is a heath and safety issue. It began in the States. California was the first state to have anti-cannabis laws.

The Fed issue is about reaching into other countries thru banking etc. They had Treaties cooking that were sweetened by a Federal law against pot, cocaine and heroin. All were under the 9th and only under the purview of the States.

So, these treaties and the War are the big issue for the Feds. Open defiance will lead to back lash. We already see it in Washington State and in Colorado. New impairment test for drivers, etc. Backlash.

I'd like to take a backlash to the Counter Culture that refuses to die....although I as was part of it for many years.

To me Counter Culture and our treaty agreements can still screw this up. Now is the time to back off. No big deal. Personal 9th Amendment choice.

Harrekin said:

You should be able to grow it freely, legalisation brings variety tho so I could try a gram of this or a gram of that without putting 3 months into it.

Also a failed harvest would be fine, cos youd be able to purchase it to keep you going.

Your system wouldn't work because in the view of the Govt, they'd still have all the negatives attached to cannabis (the dealers wont stop dealing) and no benefit for them (ie. revenue).

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Example Arizona
You cannot legally grow within 25 miles of a dispensary.

ChesusRice said:

Example Arizona
You cannot legally grow within 25 miles of a dispensary.

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Well that's retarded and not legalisation, that MMJ which is the ultimate cartel (in the literal sense) business.

Doer said:

No. We have the 9th. We have all Rights. "...only the ones demanded"...No. Maybe elsewhere. Not here. This is a heath and safety issue. It began in the States. California was the first.

The Fed issue is about reaching into other countries thru banking etc. They had Treaties cooking that were sweetened by a Federal law against pot, cocaine and heroin. All were under the 9th and only under the purview of the States.

So, these treaties and the War are the big issue for the Feds. Open defiance will lead to back lash. We already see it in Washington State and in Colorado. New impairment test for drivers, etc. Backlash.

I'd like to take a backlash to the Counter Culture that refuses to die....although I as was part of it for many years.

To me Counter Culture and our treaty agreements can still screw this up. Now is the time to back off. No big deal. Personal 9th Amendment choice.

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You were never part of anything.

abandonconflict said:

You were never part of anything.

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Says the guy who invents political philosophies that don't make sense just so he's a part of something.

Lollerskates.

We go from non regulated industry that's thriving pre prohibition to this. And we're supposed to be happy? Shifting goal posts to suit one's political agenda is all this screams. So long as pot is still tightly controlled and prices remain unnaturally high.... only then. Oh, and fuck all the small timers who want to get on board, it's going to cost big time just to get the ball rolling through the regulatory red tape.

Sigh.

OGEvilgenius said:

We go from non regulated industry that's thriving pre prohibition to this. And we're supposed to be happy? Shifting goal posts to suit one's political agenda is all this screams. So long as pot is still tightly controlled and prices remain unnaturally high.... only then. Oh, and fuck all the small timers who want to get on board, it's going to cost big time just to get the ball rolling through the regulatory red tape.

Sigh.

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So should I put you down as supporting

Legal to grow and possess
Illegal to sell?

just put me down as I grow and consume and dont really give a fuck what the government decides on the matter as it is not their power to tell me what plants l like to grow and use...I never gave them that power and never will...fuck them...their useless self servng asshats

It will go over like a lead balloon. Congress will never allow the bill to see the light of day.

abandonconflict said:

You were never part of anything.

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And you are not anything, even now. Boo Hoo.