Looking for ideas for adding uv to my disco tent

Big Green Thumb

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As the title says, I want to add UV to my led setup
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The tent is 5x5, growing 4 plants of at least 2 strains. I have plenty of 4000k led lighting available in there (upwards of 2000 watts if I were to crank them up), 3 far red initiator pucks, and using Sonoff devices for timers and humidiy/temperature monitoring.

The 4' fluorescent fixtures look like they would work using 1 per side so that is the way I am leaning, but not sure which exact bulbs I would want. Any ideas? UV leds would be my preference but I haven't seen any real user friendly setups -- I am pretty handy and electrically savvy so I should be able to build a UV led setup if there is something out there that would work.

Any ideas or help?
 

Aolelon

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Honestly your best bet is to get a reptile bulb, or a pure UV tube by Agromax. They work really well.
The technology for UV diodes really isnt there yet,
A UV bulb will give you the added benefit of UVA smd UVB in a pretty small package, or if you need them larger, you can get them in 4'.
The reptisun bulbs work really well.
I'm about to install a Pure UV tube, and just sent a buddy a couple, he is upgrading from his 13w reptisun bulb.
 

Big Green Thumb

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Honestly your best bet is to get a reptile bulb, or a pure UV tube by Agromax. They work really well.
The technology for UV diodes really isnt there yet,
A UV bulb will give you the added benefit of UVA smd UVB in a pretty small package, or if you need them larger, you can get them in 4'.
The reptisun bulbs work really well.
I'm about to install a Pure UV tube, and just sent a buddy a couple, he is upgrading from his 13w reptisun bulb.
Thanks for the information about the leds. I haven't seen anyone using the led chips so wasn't sure if they work or not. That Pure UV sounds like a very serious lamp that will fry your plants if you run it full time with your lights -- be careful and start out slowly using it.

Do you run the reptile bulb full time with your lights? Are you using them in flower and veg both? I was considering 2 of the 4' reptisun lamps would be good for me in my 5x5. Does that sound right to you or would 1 be enough?
 

Aolelon

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Thanks for the information about the leds. I haven't seen anyone using the led chips so wasn't sure if they work or not. That Pure UV sounds like a very serious lamp that will fry your plants if you run it full time with your lights -- be careful and start out slowly using it.

Do you run the reptile bulb full time with your lights? Are you using them in flower and veg both? I was considering 2 of the 4' reptisun lamps would be good for me in my 5x5. Does that sound right to you or would 1 be enough?
I actually don't run UV at all now, I am adding a setup to my light to do so now. My buddy @Randomblame runs a reptile bulb the full 12 hours. I would imagine you would only need to run the Pure UV bulb around half the time. There are a couple threads on the subject with him explaining what is needed. Around ~250-300μW/cm² is around the summer UV light put off. so
 

Big Green Thumb

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I've been reading all the uv threads this week and still undecided how to proceed. There is a thread where a guy burned up his whole crop from switching to a Pure UV and ran it full time (lemme see if I can find that thread again and I will link to it). I'd start out with like 5 minutes per hour and work your way up from there. That Pure UV is serious business.

@Randomblame has posted a ton of useful information in most of the lighting threads I have read. Reading about the uW/cm2 makes my eyes glaze over and I start looking for someone with a setup like mine to see what worked for him/her.

So I have 23226 cm2 x 250 uW = 5.8 watts. What the heck does that tell me?

EDIT: found that thread on Pure UV burning plants
https://www.rollitup.org/t/uv-burn.948061/
 

Aolelon

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I've been reading all the uv threads this week and still undecided how to proceed. There is a thread where a guy burned up his whole crop from switching to a Pure UV and ran it full time (lemme see if I can find that thread again and I will link to it). I'd start out with like 5 minutes per hour and work your way up from there. That Pure UV is serious business.

@Randomblame has posted a ton of useful information in most of the lighting threads I have read. Reading about the uW/cm2 makes my eyes glaze over and I start looking for someone with a setup like mine to see what worked for him/her.

So I have 23226 cm2 x 250 uW = 5.8 watts. What the heck does that tell me?

EDIT: found that thread on Pure UV burning plants
https://www.rollitup.org/t/uv-burn.948061/
I would highly suggest not running it full time, you need to train your plants to get used to the UV anyway to start out with. As you will definitely destroy your crop. If you feel more comfortable starting out with a reptile bulb that's what I would do and work your way up, or just use it for minutes on the hour.
I'm not very familiar with the math myself, this weekend I plan on doing a bunch of reading and figuring it out as well.
 

Randomblame

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I've been reading all the uv threads this week and still undecided how to proceed. There is a thread where a guy burned up his whole crop from switching to a Pure UV and ran it full time (lemme see if I can find that thread again and I will link to it). I'd start out with like 5 minutes per hour and work your way up from there. That Pure UV is serious business.

@Randomblame has posted a ton of useful information in most of the lighting threads I have read. Reading about the uW/cm2 makes my eyes glaze over and I start looking for someone with a setup like mine to see what worked for him/her.

So I have 23226 cm2 x 250 uW = 5.8 watts. What the heck does that tell me?

EDIT: found that thread on Pure UV burning plants
https://www.rollitup.org/t/uv-burn.948061/

I can only say from my experience last run with a 39w/3ft Arcadia D3 Desert bulb(12%/30% UVB/A, 7000°K/CRI 90) and a 4x 2' area.
Last veg week I started with 2 + 2h (2h in the morning, 2h in the evening) and extended weekly at 2h, so that it ran from the 8th week for the full 12h's and went on and off together with the main light.
The distance was about 30cm/12", which according to Arcadia is about 150-180μW/cm²(with alu reflector).
At no time the girls showed signs of stress but they grew a little bit more compact due to the increased blue content.
If I could, I would have gone to 250-300μW/cm², but then the area the bulb covered would have been too small.
The PureUV is a lot more powerful and compared to the Arcardia you will get 440μW's at 12"/30cm. At 24"/60cm it's 170μW which is about the same a reptile bulb delivers at 12".
According to this numbers it need's a height of around 16-18" to get the desired 250-300μW/cm².
Benefit, the pureUV bulb covers more than twice as much area as a reptile bulb when set to the same intensity.

Below is a chart showing the UVB content on a mid summer day in the northern hemisphere and near the equator. As you can see the intensity can be up to 350-450μW for a few hours. 250-300μW indoors should be save. I will again start with only a few hours(2+2h) and increase on a weekly base until I see first signs of stress.
I'll split it to 2h in the morning and 2h in the evening because the plants have time to recover between the on period. It is important to watch the plants very well! Burned tips and leaf margins are first signs that it is aready too much.
With a distance between 16 and 24 " one bulb covers a 30 - 40" wide area. You could also hang them vertically, but with less distance. The 440/170μW were measured with aluminum reflector.

I do not know in which distance to the other the two PureUV ran in the thread linked by you. If they were closer than 1m away from each other, there are already some overlaps. At only 50cm to each other even a hotspot.
Slowly approach to the maximum and watch the upper leafes well, then it should be easy to find the sweet spot.
There is also an other aspect. Such a pureUV bulb still emits more usable UVB light than a reptile bulb even after 1000h of usage.


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