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StonedBlownSkiller
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I just bought a 1000w on craigs. around here theres good deals. probably depends on location. Gut had 2 600w MH/HPS lights and the said 1000w MH/HPS. Both bulbs for each and a flood and drain table for 700 bux. I just bought the 1000 though.
wyteberrywidow
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The cheapest ive seen was at inside sun and htg supply.
deprave
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yea you might not be able to afford it soon if you buy a magnetic (that is after you see your electric bill lol) running a crappy magnetic ballast is at least 3x more electricity then digital , sometimes 10 times as much and you will have it hogging up a whole circuit likely...like I said not worth it.
I can run 2600W of digital ballast on one of my circuits and it cant even handle my 1x 1000W Magnetic ballast which is loud, pumps out heat, and it cost me like 300 bucks a month to run that peice of shit ballast 3x the cost of the 2600W of digital.
Smokey Bandit1
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Cheap quality lighting can be had from HTG $199 for a Digital 600w system with everything needed light,reflector,ballast,bulb and it works.Half of my equipment is still HTG Digital Greenhouse and has yet to fail.If you really wanna get sexy upgrade to a air cooled hood for 50 bucks and your set.
PS HTG now has a store in Michigan check there website for location.
Smokey
PS HTG now has a store in Michigan check there website for location.
Smokey
wyteberrywidow
Global
Check ebay,inside sun and htg supply.All these have good deals on lights from 150 to 1000 watts.
wyteberrywidow
Global
Thats crazy..What do you pay for kwh?We can get to the bottom of this and find out how much the 400 watt is costing you.I doubt it is 3x as much 1200 watts that would be.
streets
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I don't know the kh! 150 extra bucks a month for a 400 w MH is nuts... With the 1000 HPS in the flower room next week and the 400 in the veg I'll be paying 400 a month for this setup! Once I get this harvest distributed to my patients I'm upgrading to digital cool tube... And my next location needs central A/C!!! So much $ I'm losing because of DTE!!!
wyteberrywidow
Global
It should be on your bill summary get a copy and look for kwh.When you do check out the link.
http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2008/09/energy-savings-calculator/
http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2008/09/energy-savings-calculator/
ganja girl
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http://www.freep.com/article/20100829/BUSINESS06/8290474/1019/Business06/State-becomes-center-for-lamp-industry-from-small-to-large-companies
Unbeknownst to many residents, the state is in the early stages of becoming a hub for making light-emitting diode (LED) lamps, with more than 20 companies and 200 employees working in the industry. LED lights are now starting to pop up all over the country, from city streets and parking garages to a growing number of businesses.
LEDs use less energy and last much longer than fluorescent or incandescent lights. They also dont contain any hazardous substances such as mercury. The lights already are found in most cell phones, laptops and automobiles and are making their way into many TVs.
Michigan has several companies that manufacture LED lamps, ranging from small firms like Relume Technologies to large furniture makers such as Steelcase.
Today, most of the LEDs the devices that produce light that go into these lamps are made in Asia. However, Japans Nichia, the worlds largest LED firm, operates its U.S. headquarters in Wixom. And Midland-based Dow Chemical is a leading supplier of compounds used to create LEDs.
LEDs are much more expensive than other kinds of lights. But their cost is expected to drop dramatically in coming years so that companies big and small are rushing into what is likely to be a multibillion-dollar market.
Theres room for all of us, said Dennis Dobosz, president of LumaSmart Technology International, which designs and manufactures LED light fixtures and other products in Macomb Township.
Emerging market fits state well
From designing circuit boards and lenses to manufacturing streetlamps and replacements for fluorescent tubes, Michigan companies are well on their way to creating a strong and growing LED lighting industry.
The emerging market for these energy-efficient lights is a natural fit for the state, industry experts say. Detroit's automakers and their suppliers have been working with LEDs for years.
The potential "is massive," said Mike McClear, CEO of Relume Technologies in Oxford. "You have all this great manufacturing and engineering talent in Michigan. There is so much intellectual capital here."
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LED stands for light-emitting diodes, which are devices that produce light when electrical currents flow through them. LEDs use less energy than fluorescent lamps do and last longer, too. But they also cost much more so, for now, companies are mostly selling the lights to businesses and cities rather than homeowners.
Like many LED lighting companies, Relume is expanding in the midst of the recession. It's been steadily hiring, adding 20 employees so far this year. The company designs and manufactures a number of outdoor LED products. Its streetlights can be found in dozens of cities in North America, including several in Michigan such as Ann Arbor, Pontiac and Battle Creek.
Relume's founder and president, Peter Hochstein, is a former General Motors engineer. That's not unusual. Many of the people that have launched LED lighting companies in the state previously worked on the technology for the auto industry.
Macomb Township-based LumaSmart Technology International, for example, is finding new growth opportunities by expanding beyond the automotive LED market. It's now designing and manufacturing LED lights for parking garages, warehouses, hotels and other buildings. The small company has 12 employees, three of them hired within the last six months.
In Troy, the research work that Altair Engineering did when it developed LED bus lights eventually led to the creation of LED replacements for fluorescent light tubes. Altair established a subsidiary called Ilumisys that is moving production of the replacement tubes from China to Michigan next year. Ilumisys' new factory near Altair's headquarters eventually will employ 213 workers.
One large auto supplier with a Michigan presence, Germany's Hella, is also getting into the business. In July, it launched sales of its LED streetlights in the U.S., drawing on the 20-year expertise it has developed from manufacturing millions of LED automotive head and tail lamps.
The streetlights are being tested in Auburn Hills. They are manufactured in Flora, Ill., but were developed at the company's corporate center in Plymouth Township. "From a technology standpoint, it was not that different from what we were doing previously," said Steve Lietaert, a Hella product group director.
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The Detroit area is fertile ground not just for fixture manufacturers but also for the companies that make the LEDs, most of which are currently produced in Asia.
Osram Opto Semiconductors operates a sales, marketing and application engineering center in Northville where LED lighting products are designed and tested. And the U.S. headquarters of the world's largest manufacturer of LEDs, Japan's Nichia, is in Wixom.
"Automotive is one of the early adopters of LED technology. There is a significant customer base here," said Dan Doxsee, vice president of Nichia America, which employs 40 people in Michigan.
An opportunity to grow
The number of companies involved in making LED lighting products has grown so much that the state even has its own trade group for them. Launched last year, the Michigan Solid-State Lighting Association already boasts more than 20 members.
"We have an opportunity in the state to build an industry here," said Dave Simon, president of Ilumisys and head of the trade group. "Michigan can compete."
With hundreds of millions of streetlights and other kinds of lamps in the U.S. alone, the market possibilities for LEDs seem endless. But many manufacturers are worried that some of the companies entering the market are selling low-cost products that don't last long, which could harm LEDs' reputation. "There are a lot of really bad products out on the market," warned Relume's McClear.
Companies are rushing into the LED market for several reasons. Some utilities, including DTE Energy, are offering rebates for businesses that buy LED lights. And the technology is rapidly getting better and less expensive, with sales expected to take off in 2012.
That's the year that government mandates go into effect that will gradually phase out today's incandescent bulbs. Companies will still be able to manufacture these lights, but they will have to meet tougher energy-efficiency standards.
Stimulus helps, too
Government stimulus money is also giving the LED market a boost. More than 350 cities and towns around the country are planning to make the switch to LED streetlights, thanks to millions in grants many are just now receiving.
Ann Arbor is at the forefront of these efforts. Three years ago, it made a commitment to become an LED city. By next June, Ann Arbor aims to have converted to LED technology all of its 1,600 city-owned streetlights. It's also working to change 5,400 streetlights that are owned by DTE.
Some of the streetlamps in downtown Ann Arbor were retrofitted with LED lights more than four years ago. So far, the city has not had to replace any, said Andrew Brix, Ann Arbor's energy programs manager. Had they remained metal halide lamps, they would have had to have been replaced twice by now.
Brix estimates that the city is saving $100 per year on each of its 1,000 downtown streetlights. "The feedback we have gotten from residents is just overwhelmingly positive," he said.
Contact KATHERINE YUNG: 313-222-8763 or [email protected]
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Read more: State becomes center for lamp industry, from small to large companies | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/20100829/BUSINESS06/8290474/1019/Business06/State-becomes-center-for-lamp-industry-from-small-to-large-companies#ixzz0y0lF2xV3
Unbeknownst to many residents, the state is in the early stages of becoming a hub for making light-emitting diode (LED) lamps, with more than 20 companies and 200 employees working in the industry. LED lights are now starting to pop up all over the country, from city streets and parking garages to a growing number of businesses.
LEDs use less energy and last much longer than fluorescent or incandescent lights. They also dont contain any hazardous substances such as mercury. The lights already are found in most cell phones, laptops and automobiles and are making their way into many TVs.
Michigan has several companies that manufacture LED lamps, ranging from small firms like Relume Technologies to large furniture makers such as Steelcase.
Today, most of the LEDs the devices that produce light that go into these lamps are made in Asia. However, Japans Nichia, the worlds largest LED firm, operates its U.S. headquarters in Wixom. And Midland-based Dow Chemical is a leading supplier of compounds used to create LEDs.
LEDs are much more expensive than other kinds of lights. But their cost is expected to drop dramatically in coming years so that companies big and small are rushing into what is likely to be a multibillion-dollar market.
Theres room for all of us, said Dennis Dobosz, president of LumaSmart Technology International, which designs and manufactures LED light fixtures and other products in Macomb Township.
Emerging market fits state well
From designing circuit boards and lenses to manufacturing streetlamps and replacements for fluorescent tubes, Michigan companies are well on their way to creating a strong and growing LED lighting industry.
The emerging market for these energy-efficient lights is a natural fit for the state, industry experts say. Detroit's automakers and their suppliers have been working with LEDs for years.
The potential "is massive," said Mike McClear, CEO of Relume Technologies in Oxford. "You have all this great manufacturing and engineering talent in Michigan. There is so much intellectual capital here."
[Page 2 of 3]
LED stands for light-emitting diodes, which are devices that produce light when electrical currents flow through them. LEDs use less energy than fluorescent lamps do and last longer, too. But they also cost much more so, for now, companies are mostly selling the lights to businesses and cities rather than homeowners.
Like many LED lighting companies, Relume is expanding in the midst of the recession. It's been steadily hiring, adding 20 employees so far this year. The company designs and manufactures a number of outdoor LED products. Its streetlights can be found in dozens of cities in North America, including several in Michigan such as Ann Arbor, Pontiac and Battle Creek.
Relume's founder and president, Peter Hochstein, is a former General Motors engineer. That's not unusual. Many of the people that have launched LED lighting companies in the state previously worked on the technology for the auto industry.
Macomb Township-based LumaSmart Technology International, for example, is finding new growth opportunities by expanding beyond the automotive LED market. It's now designing and manufacturing LED lights for parking garages, warehouses, hotels and other buildings. The small company has 12 employees, three of them hired within the last six months.
In Troy, the research work that Altair Engineering did when it developed LED bus lights eventually led to the creation of LED replacements for fluorescent light tubes. Altair established a subsidiary called Ilumisys that is moving production of the replacement tubes from China to Michigan next year. Ilumisys' new factory near Altair's headquarters eventually will employ 213 workers.
One large auto supplier with a Michigan presence, Germany's Hella, is also getting into the business. In July, it launched sales of its LED streetlights in the U.S., drawing on the 20-year expertise it has developed from manufacturing millions of LED automotive head and tail lamps.
The streetlights are being tested in Auburn Hills. They are manufactured in Flora, Ill., but were developed at the company's corporate center in Plymouth Township. "From a technology standpoint, it was not that different from what we were doing previously," said Steve Lietaert, a Hella product group director.
[Page 3 of 3]
The Detroit area is fertile ground not just for fixture manufacturers but also for the companies that make the LEDs, most of which are currently produced in Asia.
Osram Opto Semiconductors operates a sales, marketing and application engineering center in Northville where LED lighting products are designed and tested. And the U.S. headquarters of the world's largest manufacturer of LEDs, Japan's Nichia, is in Wixom.
"Automotive is one of the early adopters of LED technology. There is a significant customer base here," said Dan Doxsee, vice president of Nichia America, which employs 40 people in Michigan.
An opportunity to grow
The number of companies involved in making LED lighting products has grown so much that the state even has its own trade group for them. Launched last year, the Michigan Solid-State Lighting Association already boasts more than 20 members.
"We have an opportunity in the state to build an industry here," said Dave Simon, president of Ilumisys and head of the trade group. "Michigan can compete."
With hundreds of millions of streetlights and other kinds of lamps in the U.S. alone, the market possibilities for LEDs seem endless. But many manufacturers are worried that some of the companies entering the market are selling low-cost products that don't last long, which could harm LEDs' reputation. "There are a lot of really bad products out on the market," warned Relume's McClear.
Companies are rushing into the LED market for several reasons. Some utilities, including DTE Energy, are offering rebates for businesses that buy LED lights. And the technology is rapidly getting better and less expensive, with sales expected to take off in 2012.
That's the year that government mandates go into effect that will gradually phase out today's incandescent bulbs. Companies will still be able to manufacture these lights, but they will have to meet tougher energy-efficiency standards.
Stimulus helps, too
Government stimulus money is also giving the LED market a boost. More than 350 cities and towns around the country are planning to make the switch to LED streetlights, thanks to millions in grants many are just now receiving.
Ann Arbor is at the forefront of these efforts. Three years ago, it made a commitment to become an LED city. By next June, Ann Arbor aims to have converted to LED technology all of its 1,600 city-owned streetlights. It's also working to change 5,400 streetlights that are owned by DTE.
Some of the streetlamps in downtown Ann Arbor were retrofitted with LED lights more than four years ago. So far, the city has not had to replace any, said Andrew Brix, Ann Arbor's energy programs manager. Had they remained metal halide lamps, they would have had to have been replaced twice by now.
Brix estimates that the city is saving $100 per year on each of its 1,000 downtown streetlights. "The feedback we have gotten from residents is just overwhelmingly positive," he said.
Contact KATHERINE YUNG: 313-222-8763 or [email protected]
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Read more: State becomes center for lamp industry, from small to large companies | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/20100829/BUSINESS06/8290474/1019/Business06/State-becomes-center-for-lamp-industry-from-small-to-large-companies#ixzz0y0lF2xV3
wyteberrywidow
Global
Man fuck leds....
deprave
New Member
Now you begin to learn why indoor marijuana is like 300$ an ounce lol
for real thou...it is totally worth it to go the digital route over magnetic you save yourself in the long run on your powerbill...I went from a magnetic room to a digital room and saved hundreds of dollars. In only one month you will make your money back in the price difference.
In my experience it is 3x as much - perhaps I have really bad magnetic ballasts but my 1000W digital pulls about 3.5 amps while my 1000W magnetics pull about 9amps...my 600W lumatek pulls I believe only around 2.4 amps...I could be off with those numbers exactly but I remember figuring it was just under 3x as much for my magnetics vs my digitals when we actually tested them.
for real thou...it is totally worth it to go the digital route over magnetic you save yourself in the long run on your powerbill...I went from a magnetic room to a digital room and saved hundreds of dollars. In only one month you will make your money back in the price difference.
In my experience it is 3x as much - perhaps I have really bad magnetic ballasts but my 1000W digital pulls about 3.5 amps while my 1000W magnetics pull about 9amps...my 600W lumatek pulls I believe only around 2.4 amps...I could be off with those numbers exactly but I remember figuring it was just under 3x as much for my magnetics vs my digitals when we actually tested them.