Libertarian Socialism and the Vagueism Movement

lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

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Can anyone explain how to implement this philosophy in society and how this philosophy works? How are the means of production defined and how do you create an equal society by giving ownership to the people?
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
Thats what I thought, you have no clue about his economic theory.
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That is what I thought, you can't answer.

Let me define anarchy for you, since that is essentially what you seek. Noam Chomsky said it perfectly.

""That is what I have always understood to be the essence of anarchism: the conviction that the burden of proof has to be placed on authority, and that it should be dismantled if that burden cannot be met."~Noam Chomsky

If anyone claims to be a guru, leader, vanguard, or in anyway pushes ideas, they are not anarchists. They are quite simply trying to rule over other people. This is hard to grasp if you are the type of person who requires rigidly defined social construct. This is why the idea of anarchy immediately presents an image of being incomplete, the first thing one notices is a power vacuum. Stop thinking in terms of hierarchy. Anarchy means no rulers.
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
Thats what I thought, you have no clue about his economic theory.
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i could have told you that weeks ago.

he simply apes whatever his hero of the moment says. in truth, since his heroes are all marxists of various stripes his is a marxist generalist. he doesnt know enough about marxism to be for or against any particular implementation, so he embraces them all with "Anarcho-Vagueism" (i still think "Anarcho-Nebulism" has more zing.)

he is a sophist, and nothing more.

not even a talented sophist. a sophomoric sophist.
 
abandonconflict said:
That is what I thought, you can't answer.

Let me define anarchy for you, since that is essentially what you seek. Noam Chomsky said it perfectly.

""That is what I have always understood to be the essence of anarchism: the conviction that the burden of proof has to be placed on authority, and that it should be dismantled if that burden cannot be met."~Noam Chomsky

If anyone claims to be a guru, leader, vanguard, or in anyway pushes ideas, they are not anarchists. They are quite simply trying to rule over other people. This is hard to grasp if you are the type of person who requires rigidly defined social construct. This is why the idea of anarchy immediately presents an image of being incomplete, the first thing one notices is a power vacuum. Stop thinking in terms of hierarchy. Anarchy means no rulers.
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Okay good. I understand the concept of anarchy, there is no government or social classes. I am more interested in the other half of your philosophy and how this economic ideology is implemented without having structure or a state.
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
Okay good. I understand the concept of anarchy, there is no government or social classes. I am more interested in the other half of your philosophy and how this economic ideology is implemented without having structure or a state.
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dude, YOU may understand the nature of anarchy but he does not.

he will assert that in a state of stateless anarchy, good things will happen, unicorns and rainbows will be free for everyone, and nobody will ever be mean or hurtful, because anarchy makes everyone into a smurf.
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
Okay good. I understand the concept of anarchy, there is no government or social classes. I am more interested in the other half of your philosophy and how this economic ideology is implemented without having structure or a state.
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Implemented? You mean enforced? That is not an anarchist approach. Apparently you don't understand anarchy.
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
lol. Okay, how does a socialist economy OCCUR without having a state?
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What is a "socialist economy"? That may seem like I am continuing my vagueness, but I'm not sure what you are asking me, honestly. I am willing to try to answer, but it is quite--what is the word you used?

Vague.
 
abandonconflict said:
What is a "socialist economy"? That may seem like I am continuing my vagueness, but I'm not sure what you are asking me, honestly. I am willing to try to answer, but it is quite--what is the word you used?

Vague.
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If I remember right, your economic philosophy is based on the idea of common ownership of the means of production. In an anarchist society, how do you achieve this? How would it be different from the free market? In the free market, an individual invests in capital, such as machinery, then makes a profit on the capital. Would individuals collectively fund the construction of the machinery then share the profits? How would your philosophy create a differing economy under anarchism than that of the natural spontaneous free market?
 
Of course I seem vague. I question, never answer.
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