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NoDrama

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Neil Abercrombie the Governor of Hawaii has admitted that they cannot find a birth certificate for Barack Obama.


"Yesterday, talking to Neil's Office. Neil says that he searched everywhere using his powers as governor ..... there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/25/f...told-him-there-is-no-obama-birth-certificate/

Looks like Fox News is a bit late to the show, and I haven't watched anything they have put out, just listened to the radio show is all.
 
NoDrama said:
Neil Abercrombie the Governor of Hawaii has admitted that they cannot find a birth certificate for Barack Obama.


"Yesterday, talking to Neil's Office. Neil says that he searched everywhere using his powers as governor ..... there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/25/f...told-him-there-is-no-obama-birth-certificate/

Looks like Fox News is a bit late to the show, and I haven't watched anything they have put out, just listened to the radio show is all.
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Wtf? I guess I have a reason to watch the local news tonight...

On a side note, we have multiple pro-cannabis bills being proposed this year in HI. Hopefully they get passed..
 
Actually, the reporter who said this has now retracted it, saying he misspoke.

His name is Mike Evans and he has a syndicated segment where he calls morning shows and gives them news reports on this and that.

I remember him from Austin, where he was part of the local morning show on KLBJ. I always thought he was a hack.

But my questions is: If the issue is a non-issue, then why is Obama spending millions of dollars to suppress the release of his birth certificate?
 
Johnnyorganic said:
Actually, the reporter who said this has now retracted it, saying he misspoke.

His name is Mike Evans and he has a syndicated segment where he calls morning shows and gives them news reports on this and that.

I remember him from Austin, where he was part of the local morning show on KLBJ. I always thought he was a hack.

But my questions is: If the issue is a non-issue, then why is Obama spending millions of dollars to suppress the release of his birth certificate?
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i just did acid and i call bullshit
 
Johnnyorganic said:
Actually, the reporter who said this has now retracted it, saying he misspoke.

His name is Mike Evans and he has a syndicated segment where he calls morning shows and gives them news reports on this and that.

I remember him from Austin, where he was part of the local morning show on KLBJ. I always thought he was a hack.

But my questions is: If the issue is a non-issue, then why is Obama spending millions of dollars to suppress the release of his birth certificate?
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he must be a socialist kenyan muslim sent to infiltrate and collapse the american government and way of life from the inside.

so johnny, did you catch the SOTU? any thoughts? i was thinking a lot of what he said might appeal to a center-rightie like you.
 
Doesnt Matter, Even if they Never found it. HES STILL YOUR PRES. AND WILL BE. Stop hating. but i love your avatar !
 
what the fuck is wrong with you people?


no matter how many times the birth certficate is brought up, it's still a valid point...and just because someone's pointing it out it doesn't make them a "rightie" and you a "leftie" grow the fuck up and get beyond these meaningless, completely arbitrary terms


stop taking a knee and bowing to these so-called "authority" figures and realize that "authority" is a false premise in and of itself. people with MONEY control people whom DON'T have money, mmmmkay?

I think most people with 2 eyes have realized that obama's policies favor corporations as much as Bush or Clinton and whatever dickhead presidents came before that.


Bringing up issues to criticize the government and criticize the assholes who're running the country into unsustainable debt is NOT a problem to me, nor should be to you. Let's grow up and realize who's fucking who here.


Obama's SOTU was acting- like any other speech. so what's there to think of it? SOMEONE WROTE SOME SHIT THAT THEY FIGURED WOULD GAIN HIM SOME GOOD POLITICAL CRED AND HE GOT UP THERE AND READ IT OFF A PROMPTER


pffttttttt fuckin...loser. like all the rest of our politicians
 
UncleBuck said:
he must be a socialist kenyan muslim sent to infiltrate and collapse the american government and way of life from the inside.
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I don't think that. I think he is doing the best job that he can, but he really has very little experience running a nation so he is pretty much told what to do and what to say. I think he was very popular and the powers that be KNEW he couldn't be president because he was NOT born in the US nor were both parents US Citizens, so they did what they had to do to get their man in office. They lied and covered up. It has nothing to do with Obama and all to do with the US Constitution that REQUIRES a president to be a natural born citizen.
 
UncleBuck said:
he must be a socialist kenyan muslim sent to infiltrate and collapse the american government and way of life from the inside.
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I'm not saying he is any of those things.

I simply find it curious that he has spent MILLIONS of dollars to prevent the release of his birth certificate.

What exactly does he not want Americans to see?

UncleBuck said:
so johnny, did you catch the SOTU? any thoughts? i was thinking a lot of what he said might appeal to a center-rightie like you.
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Brak says lots of things.

I'm not so much concerned with his words as I am his actions.

They speak much louder.

Obama's Orwellian Language

Our So-Called 'Centrist' President
 
newatit2010 said:
Eggs just lay in chicken shit and don't have birth certificates.
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not true. just this morning, i found an egg in my chicken coop. it was lying in a bed of straw, no chicken shit.

and i know it came from my buff silkie as my black silkie is not laying yet.

i would have gotten it a birth certificate, but i did not have a public notary around.
 
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The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.
Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."
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Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.
Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?
Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?
Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.
Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?
Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

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Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:
  • The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
  • It isn't signed.
  • No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
  • In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
  • The certificate number is blacked out.
  • The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
  • The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."
Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.

Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."
In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


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The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu. Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."

–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller




birthers are funny. all the evidence in the world would not satisfy those too obstinate to recognize it.
 
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