Let the WET DREAM BEGIN.Upgraded cc rdwc 4 bucket 720w veg 1280w qb bloom 30gal double adj floating

I have decided to finally start a grow journal plus I have finished my upgraded setup
Current culture 8gal rdwc with 8" net pots 2" pvc
4.6x4.6x7.3ft tent
Hlg qb288 v2 4000k x4 120w ea plus hlg qb132 v1 3500k x4 60w ea for side lighting
Hyperfan 8"
6in vivosun carbon filter
Danner mag drive model 5 500gph
Alita 60 air pump
X2 pop can size airstones per bucket
X2 12" air stones for res
Current culture nutes sterlie for now when they are gone I will be trying Jack's sterile if I dont like it I will switch back to c.c but powdered would be very nice
My superponics 2x2 cabinet I use for propagation I have x2 qb132s 60w
Superponics cloner dwc top feed..great for seeds and clones

I also have a 2x2 tent for when males or quarantine I'f cabinet is in use..I have x2 meizhi 300w leds they do 139w ea actually but they work great for that setup

I live in Colorado so I stick to being legal

My bloom tent is a 8x8 which I'm in the process of finishing need more bulkheads..but have some time before i need to use it I will be doing
X3 27gal rdwc 3" pvc bulkheads only no bs uniseals
I will have x2 grow modules and have x2 plants per bucket
1/4hp eco plus water chiller
Airpump I have a few options I'm considering
Hlg qb320xl v1 mixed spec 2850k x4 remote mounted drivers
Hyperfan 8"
55gal res
Anyways let's get this started finally it's been alot of hard work and designing about time it pays off and I can have my meds back and be poisoned free unlike the garbage dispensaries trash
Plus I got some more ideas and changes i maybe doing in the near future too...

Starting off with some acsb wet dream fems
I'm soaking them in some mad farmer nuts which is fulvic acid for 12-24hr until the seeds sink and then I will put them into the root riot cubes that I soak in ph 6.0 and put them in my superponics 8 site and let em grow until they go into the veg tent.

So I am disabled I have a incurable kidney disease that gives me horrid chronic pain so I grow for medical reasons from this wonderful plant so the whole only picking plants that are thee biggest and blah blah blah so I'm going to flower and clone all my seeds and go from there as long as the plant is healthy I'm keeping it I'm not throwing it away cuz it maybe a runt in veg but it produces thee best terpy amazing buds ever can careless if it produces alot
I'm not a cash cropper matter of fact I dont sell a single gram of my crop it is all for me...as I need it so I can eat and keep my food down and get some sleep be able to get out of bed even...

I wont post pics of the seeds now no point so in a few days I will but heres the veg setup there is no place on the inside of the pvc that I cannot get easy access to and clean and sterile thee entire system which was one of the reasons I built the system the way I did I also have a drain kit I built my own add back kit and its identical to cc actually believe it or not sorry for the long post just been a long road so far .....let the WET DREAM BEGIN...

Does anyone have any experience using grow 02 electrolosis instead of air stones.. as I have a alita 120 already i was going to use for my 27gal bloom room for x2 buckets not in the control bucket since it will have the return for waterfall d o plus the under current...
however it does like 157watts and I'm going for efficient plus it pumping all the heat into the system and the chiller fights to cool it is counterproductive which is why I'm considering the grow o2 for the x2 20gal 2040 kit I believe it is that does 56watts that u run for like 1hr every 4hr or more even.
However I have a g.h dual diaphragm pump 9w 20lpm I have the active aqua 25lpm 14w pump too which I'm thinkn about saying fuck the alita120 sell it and use the the dual diaphragm pumps do 1 pump per 27gal bucket as current cultures 35gal pro single setup comes with a 25lpm so why not and it would be pulling 23watts vs 157watts plus the noise of the alita over the other 2 which will be cheaper and less heat...
I'm considering waterfall however my issue with it is with how much rootage these ladies get esp in rdwc and they fill thee entire bucket regardless of size just about and when you have roots from side to side I just cant see the waterfall effect working actually with breaking the surface tension and mixing air into the system like it does when the roots arent from side to side regardless if u make a ring that goes around the whole bucket....
which is why I'm leaning towards grow o2 in the future possibly but if it was so wonderful why arent more rdwc growers using it as they are like $360 for the x2 20watt emitters and a alita120 is 400 plus a diffuser or airstones with that....
with the alita 120 I was going to use the cc aqua pore pro xl diffusers for bloom x2 total doing like 60lpm per 27gal bucket that does like 16gal only ea keep in mind .....
any info would help before I build the bloom room setup as in if I need to change anything...but as in effiecency goes I'm thinkn the 20 & 25lpm pumps with 4 air stones ea would pry be best for now since I have it all already and the alita I would need the aqua pore pro xl diffusers which they are like $50 ea shipped which is crazy and also curious on what's diff between those and a soaker hose anyways..as $50 for a rubber hose is alot for what it is.....thanks for reading hope you like my setup more to come stay tuned....

Right on man keep it up GL

First piece of advice.
If you bought a carbon filter because smell is important to get rid of, return that vivosun immediately.

They do not work.
You gotta spend the dolla on Phresh, Can, or mountain air.

Also, hyper fans are great, but 8" is super over kill for a 4X4. A 4X8 doesn't even need the full power of a 6".
You're gonna have to control the speed down waaaaaaay low.

Also, uniseals do work. But bulkheads are definitely the way to go so disassemble is simplified. Because getting those pipes through those rubber rings man, I'll tell Ya, sucks Ass.

Your post is honestly just too long for me to read. I'm sorry. But I do keep seeing things here and there.

Fuck O2 grow emitters. Fuck air pumps, air stones, air lines, all of it. Use waterfalls.

The big 2-3" abs/pvc piping is used as GRAVITY RETURNS TO the reservoir. Then a submersible OR inline pump, pulls FROM the reservoir to a manifold that splits to each bucket/site.

Here.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/i-gotta-lose-the-air-pumps-how-plus-my-awesome-mini-dwc.960807/page-2#post-14251657

https://www.rollitup.org/t/i-gotta-lose-the-air-pumps-how-plus-my-awesome-mini-dwc.960807/page-3#post-14262160

If you're worried about roots being too large for the waterfall to work, first on-call, you use a 1/2" 90elbow barb through a grommet at the tip of your site, so ita along the wall pointing right at the water.
But if that's not enough insurance, just use larger conrltainers than what you actually plan on needing. Waterfalls are so nice. And you eliminate so many components.

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I didnt buy my vivosun carbon filter I got it for free and it will only be for veg which is why I'm not too worried about it...yes 8" for my veg tent is overkill I agree however it has a fan speed controller that does 35-100% so I'll just turn it down plus i may end up exhausting it out my window instead of the room and if I do that I have about 15ft and several bends to the window so the extra cfm and having a carbon filter wont hurt and considering I bought 1 hyperfan used and got the other new in box for cheaper than a reg new one as I was gna do 6" for veg as i have a vivosun exhaust fan too but i switched as the hyperfan is a fuck ton more efficient its quieter and a better fan in general so why not..
And I will be getting a 8x24 phresh carbon for bloom as I'm still a few months away still on that..
I'm fully aware of how waterfalls work but when you have roots like I'll post in the pic for ex..the waterfall method I just dont see working all that well granite not saying the airstones are i will have my temp at 68f for water tho and veg it runs at 69 and If need be I'll throw a ice bottle in and call it a day for veg....
If I would do a waterfall I would do a 1/2 pvc ring around the inside of the buckets so i would have more than just 1 spout for water but like I said I'm still curious about the roots taking over esp when I'm doing x2 plants per 27gal in bloom as thats all I can do...and all those roots really concerns me with the whole waterfall method..
As ur switching a airpump and air stones or diffusers for a bigger water pump than the return so ur really not saving any power that way esp Iike I'f I would use my 20 and 25lpm pumps and they are rebuildable and do 23watts combined and put out next to no heat not anything like the big ass alitas and I think 60lpm for each 16gal of water per bucket would be a bit much....as I'm going for best and over all effiecency and why do you say fuck grow o2 you have any facts about those....

As in the pics I uploaded is my concern about waterfall as most ppl I see who does waterfall has air stones as well which is kinda pointless esp with u.c Since the water can only hold so much d.o and oxygen at certian temps... If I do waterfall it would be like the pic doing the pvc around the inside but it's a high concern for me esp with having x2 plants per 27gal bucket...and I do like the science behind the grow o2 but I'f they are soooo wonderful then why arent more home growers like myself using them then...as not having to run a pump 247 would be a nice plus and its silent plus you could run it on 12v if power outage occurs ladies still can have d.o and can live and be happy....

Really, you don't have to do that. your water lvl is always kept at least CLOSE to the bottom of the net pot, where the roots START and then branch out from there. You're over thinking it all.
The water is always plenty high up to get that surface disruption from the waterfall.

Clean setup man looks great.

Thankyou it's been alot of work that's for sure but well worth it well I imagine it will be as it was a nice setup with the old cc black top version like I had last grow and I had my side lights only for them so 60w a plant and I still got huge plants and now I got 180w a plant in veg and mix spec which I'm excited to see if it will all be worth it...I used these abs/rubber test plugs for all my end caps in the 2"pvc instead doing rubber end caps.
They are alot cleaner and you do not need any tools to remove them and clean the system...and the pvc orbit fittings are badass they are removable with a special tool and they spin too so threads arent a issue nor do you have to glue anything buy fittings to remove it etc ya they are more expensive but well worth it. .they have 1/2..3/4 & 1" only the test plugs are 1 1/4 I believe to like 5 or 6" I think as well..they was like .75 more than the rubber caps so y not give it try......for the waterfall I wonder about like a hose sprayer or even like a showerhead I've heard ppl think about which would be alot more expensive than some pvc ......still gta think about it some more pry do some more research like always and make a decision.....ya Inside a house I would never trust uniseals I will spend the money on bulkheads and have peace of mind not to mention they dont leak and they are very easy to take on and off as I have arthritis so uniseals is the last thing I'm gna fuck with..I think I would trust pvc fittings with a gasket over uniseals that's for damn sure but that's just me and have seen horror stories with them so no thanks...
I been building all kinds of stands out of all this old 1/2 thick wall pvc I have like my air pump stands I made I made a stand for my veg res too and a great way to use it...
Got my fully adjustable double or triple floating scrogs and they are badass and I wouldnt have em any other way

Good idea on the waterfall setup instead of all those pumps, KISS motto...

I actually havent done the waterfall as I'm still considering it as with the 20 &25lpm I'm thinking about running pulls a whopping 23watts and pretty much no heat either from those vs having another water pump that would have to be in the control bucket which will be running more power than the 23w the air pumps do plus the extra heat from the pump in the control bucket and I already have everything for airstones vs the waterfall....I can always do or try waterfall later on if I choose as my setup would make it easy to make it waterfall but I haven't fully decided yet...I may just do the air pumps since I have absolutely everything for them...but if I do w.f it would be like the pic I posted with the pvc going all around the container vs a single elbow or something that concerns me alot esp with having x2 plants in a 27gal and tons of rootage that will go from side to side on the entire grow bucket and then waterfall not doing too much when its not hitting water....but will see

It seems to work good with waterfall, dont know why I didnt think of it before reading a thread by Airwalker16 were he uses this method in DWC, I have waterfalls in my NFT pipe setup, easy peasy...

Dabhead710 said:

I live in Colorado so I stick to being legal

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what part? you don't have to be specific. i'm just west of Pikes peak

Air stones work great. I'm sure waterfalls do too. Tomato tomato

Dabhead710 said:

Thankyou it's been alot of work that's for sure but well worth it well I imagine it will be as it was a nice setup with the old cc black top version like I had last grow and I had my side lights only for them so 60w a plant and I still got huge plants and now I got 180w a plant in veg and mix spec which I'm excited to see if it will all be worth it...I used these abs/rubber test plugs for all my end caps in the 2"pvc instead doing rubber end caps.
They are alot cleaner and you do not need any tools to remove them and clean the system...and the pvc orbit fittings are badass they are removable with a special tool and they spin too so threads arent a issue nor do you have to glue anything buy fittings to remove it etc ya they are more expensive but well worth it. .they have 1/2..3/4 & 1" only the test plugs are 1 1/4 I believe to like 5 or 6" I think as well..they was like .75 more than the rubber caps so y not give it try......for the waterfall I wonder about like a hose sprayer or even like a showerhead I've heard ppl think about which would be alot more expensive than some pvc ......still gta think about it some more pry do some more research like always and make a decision.....ya Inside a house I would never trust uniseals I will spend the money on bulkheads and have peace of mind not to mention they dont leak and they are very easy to take on and off as I have arthritis so uniseals is the last thing I'm gna fuck with..I think I would trust pvc fittings with a gasket over uniseals that's for damn sure but that's just me and have seen horror stories with them so no thanks...
I been building all kinds of stands out of all this old 1/2 thick wall pvc I have like my air pump stands I made I made a stand for my veg res too and a great way to use it...
Got my fully adjustable double or triple floating scrogs and they are badass and I wouldnt have em any other way

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OoooOoooOoOoO you seem enlightened on the subject. Me and @fragileassassin have both been trying to find some kind of gasket that will fit 2" & 1.5" Male Adapters that have the plastic pressure fitting. Hea using then now but with sealant. HR shortened the length of the threads so the piece could screw tightly against the fitting/wall.
I've also considered just a male and a female adapter, but to be, it seems they're just really not very much larger past the threads to get a good surface area on the bucket if you know what I mean. If the threads stayed the same but there was just more circumference on the smooth pieces on the upside of the slip/threaded portion.

ChiefRunningPhist said:

Air stones work great. I'm sure waterfalls do too. Tomato tomato

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Dabhead710 said:

I actually havent done the waterfall as I'm still considering it as with the 20 &25lpm I'm thinking about running pulls a whopping 23watts and pretty much no heat either from those vs having another water pump that would have to be in the control bucket which will be running more power than the 23w the air pumps do plus the extra heat from the pump in the control bucket and I already have everything for airstones vs the waterfall....I can always do or try waterfall later on if I choose as my setup would make it easy to make it waterfall but I haven't fully decided yet...I may just do the air pumps since I have absolutely everything for them...but if I do w.f it would be like the pic I posted with the pvc going all around the container vs a single elbow or something that concerns me alot esp with having x2 plants in a 27gal and tons of rootage that will go from side to side on the entire grow bucket and then waterfall not doing too much when its not hitting water....but will see

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Getting rid of air pumps is for the clutter of air lines, the shit that grows and clings to your air stones, stained and brittle tubing, but most of all, the sound. I can't stand how loud air pumps inevitably are.

And AGAIN, You are over concernin yourself with the waterfall concept. The oxygen isn't absorbed in the water when it hits the surface only per say. The compressing through the manifold to open atmospheric pressure in the bucket loads it with O2 the second it comes out. But AGAIN your water line is always BELOW your net pot and your waterfall grommet hole is way up almost to the top of the wall. Your roots may grow a bit off to the side of the net pot, but it's mostly downwards and bunches up. It's fine if it fills the entirety of the water in the container, honestly. But 2 in a 27 GALLON HDX TOTE will not be easy to fill to the point where it causes any problems at all. But even IF so... It's still moving THROUGH the roots, down to the bottom and pushed back to the res.
Also a bonus: throw a Venturi valve on the end of your chillers return in the res if you got /get one. Great for that extra d.o. if you feel ya need it
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You have my word, you'll have happy, healthy, praying girls with that setup. But it is ultimately up to you. You use an inline pump already with CC setups, so it's nothing added.
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And again, like I said before you do NOT HAVE TO use a submersible pump in your res for the waterfalls. You can simply use a 3/4-1" threaded bulkhead at the bottom front of your reservoir. Just plumb your returns to come in to the sides of the 27gal containers. A male threaded end piece of PVC to connect to it and your inline pump, makes an easy connection you can remove and clean as well. One tip I'd highly highly suggest is to use as many threaded pieces or unions as you can so you can break it down in to small, manageable, Cleanable segments.

Hope this helps Ya in some way along your journey. That was a lot of typing I did. I just kept on going... Hahaha

rkymtnman said:

what part? you don't have to be specific. i'm just west of Pikes peak

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Springs happy 420 my fellow Coloradoan

The test plugs I got are made by oatey they have them at lowes or home depot and works great....also I refuse to use hdx cheap ass garbage containers i get mine at lowes and they are x2 the thickness and a much better container..

That's a good idea for the b.h and the pump outside the res...which I'm still considering doing.
I'm gna pass on the venturi for the control bucket with just waterfall return is more than enough and running alot of d.o in ur control bucket is a bitch for ph and keeping it stable which is why I do waterfall for it only and call it a day however that is a great idea air walk never even thought of it...also I have a add back kit for both my control buckets which i built for $15 ea vs 125 and it's exactly the samething....

Also you should look into orbit pvc fittings as you dont have to glue nothing or thread and they are removable with a tool and are leak proof and great fittings just cost more of course but its stupid easy and they spin inside so you can thread them for like the b.h and the pump...

I am kinda leaning towards waterfall but like I said I have everything already for running air I have hundreds of feet of tubing so idc if I have to replace a leader line that's like 16in every other grow isnt a big deal...and havent had a issue with airstones knock on wood.....and I clean them in vinegar when they get build up also the works toilet bowl cleaner works too I've heard...and from the airpumps I would be using are very quiet unlike some alita and linear air pumps that are the loudest thing in the whole room....

If I do go w.f how many gph pump should I get there will be about 12-14" of head pressure but would suck from the control and push into the 2 grow modules as I will run them with my pvc pipe so it can stay nice and clean like I want...

Thanks for your time tho