Led vs HPS growing

jonnynobody

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If I had to pay those electricity prices I'd definitely be going to LED. But I don't so I won't.

I'm actually glad we got these posts showing variations in electricity costs. Maybe the guys telling me I'm living in the past by not spending a bunch of money upgrading to LED's will understand things better.
If electric is cheap there's really no reason to take the plunge considering how expensive the hardware is. I've never heard anyone complain about the quality of their buds under a 600w, and if you're getting a sweetheart deal on power from your electric company burn that juice down and crank out the nugs :)
 

V256.420

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That Scorpion does look like one sexy piece of equipment. I just refuse to put Stephen's kids through college overpaying for hardware. If anyone wants to donate one I'm your guy :)
I'll one up you there.

Donate one and I'll buy 4 more if they are THAT good :blsmoke:

Plus I'll post all the frosty goodness here as well :cool:
 

jonnynobody

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Are they been grown in split room or is the hps light hitting led and vise versa
2 nurseries are under T5 lighting. 1 was under a 450W quantum board dialed down to 50%. Any higher and light bleaching occurs in a 5'x5' space. That unit is now in my flower room and I will be installing my new Hortibloom LED COB light in the nursery that previously had the quantum board. In the flower room it is mixed spectrum LED / HPS for the duration of the flower cycle. I completed my last flower cycle with 1 660W quantum board. The flowers underneath were as stellar if not better than my 1000W HPS on super lumen with hortilux lamps. The flowers were rock hard and the colors were just spectacular. Purple hues throughout that I've never seen under my HID fixtures growing the same strain, hash plant. It was a great performance in my opinion.
 

xtsho

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If electric is cheap there's really no reason to take the plunge considering how expensive the hardware is. I've never heard anyone complain about the quality of their buds under a 600w, and if you're getting a sweetheart deal on power from your electric company burn that juice down and crank out the nugs :)
HID will grow rock hard nugs that's for sure. And good penetration deep into the canopy. Plus the heat is nice in the winter in an unheated garage. Different factors for different growing scenarios. For me it makes no sense to go LED. Cheap electricity and I actually want the heat of the HID. I have to put a heater in the tent for a few months to keep the temp up during lights out. But yes, cheap power negates any need to upgrade just to save on electricity.
 

NukaKola

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I'm certainly no mathematician, but those figures seemed significantly inaccurate. I'd love electric that cheap :)
Damn Nuka getting raped. I thought I had it bad.
I would definitely kill for electricity that cheap. I probably have one of the highest rates in the country and the utility company loves raping us.

In my area, it is actually more expensive to drive an electric vehicle unless you have solar which is mind-boggling.
 

jonnynobody

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I would definitely kill for electricity that cheap. I probably have one of the highest rates in the country and the utility company loves raping us.

In my area, it is actually more expensive to drive an electric vehicle unless you have solar which is mind-boggling.
What region are you in Nuka? I'm in Michigan. Moved from Missouri where electric was stupid cheap. Up here shit is highway fucking robbery. What can ya do? I don't even think we get enough clear sky days up here to justify considering solar panels. Fucking power company has us by the short 'n curly's up here and they know it :)
 

jonnynobody

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HID will grow rock hard nugs that's for sure. And good penetration deep into the canopy. Plus the heat is nice in the winter in an unheated garage. Different factors for different growing scenarios. For me it makes no sense to go LED. Cheap electricity and I actually want the heat of the HID. I have to put a heater in the tent for a few months to keep the temp up during lights out. But yes, cheap power negates any need to upgrade just to save on electricity.
Winter is something many people don't consider when beginning their garden. Most of us grow in our basements and in a state with real winters it gets downright cold in that part of the house. The added heat of HID lighting is actually a benefit. Hell even my T5's kick out a good amount of heat. Without that heat I would literally have to put an electric oil filled radiator in there. So in that situation putting an LED panel that produces little heat would require I add another piece of equipment and consume more electricity. That's not very LED efficient :)

I just got my free Hortibloom COB fixture to try out. It has a veg and bloom switch. The VEG looks like crisp quantum board daylight spectrum illumination. The bloom is purple. The VEG gives off a good amount of warmth that I need in the nursery where it will be housed. The illumination intensity is pretty sweet. I'm going to give it an honest review as I journal the entire grow. I'll post the unboxing and illumination pics shortly. Been a busy fucking day :)
 

NukaKola

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What region are you in Nuka? I'm in Michigan. Moved from Missouri where electric was stupid cheap. Up here shit is highway fucking robbery. What can ya do? I don't even think we get enough clear sky days up here to justify considering solar panels. Fucking power company has us by the short 'n curly's up here and they know it :)
I'm in SoCal where everything is overpriced as f***. 1200-1600 sq ft houses over $500k, gas regularly over $4/gal. I have buddies who pay $1600/mo for 1 bedroom apartments. It's pretty insane, but I do love it here. Average temp in the 70's and you can grow outdoors year-round.
 

jonnynobody

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I'm in SoCal where everything is overpriced as f***. 1200-1600 sq ft houses over $500k, gas regularly over $4/gal. I have buddies who pay $1600/mo for 1 bedroom apartments. It's pretty insane, but I do love it here. Average temp in the 70's and you can grow outdoors year-round.
Got-dam brother that's insanity! Before we moved to Michigan about 10 years back we looked at California. As soon as we hopped on the real estate search engines we quickly found out we were poverty stricken by California standards and would have to live out of a cardboard box. I was all for it. The wife was against it. Here we are in Michigan :) I feel for you man. What's happening out there is very sad. The state doesn't seem to have the infrastructure or natural resources to support it's population and needs. Result? Steep inflation. I do hope things get better, but unless the world starts combating climate change we're all fucking doomed. California is just a microcosm of what the world will face in the near future. California is just the beginning. Fuck that sounds dire. Smiley face :) Better?
 

DukeFluke

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great arguments LEDS are good for supplimental lighting but need more work before they can replace HPS or CMH
How are people still liking posts that are from a decade ago?

They're a work in progress and they're already better than HPS. In specific situations, they can give you a gram per watt or more where HPS just flat out wouldn't work at all.

I'm a new user with no prior bias. In fact I was critical of them at first as I found there was a little learning curve which threw me a bit. But after getting over that initial bump, what I've seen already has made up my mind.
 
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NukaKola

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Got-dam brother that's insanity! Before we moved to Michigan about 10 years back we looked at California. As soon as we hopped on the real estate search engines we quickly found out we were poverty stricken by California standards and would have to live out of a cardboard box. I was all for it. The wife was against it. Here we are in Michigan :) I feel for you man. What's happening out there is very sad. The state doesn't seem to have the infrastructure or natural resources to support it's population and needs. Result? Steep inflation. I do hope things get better, but unless the world starts combating climate change we're all fucking doomed. California is just a microcosm of what the world will face in the near future. California is just the beginning. Fuck that sounds dire. Smiley face :) Better?
Yeah it's tough over here. The wages are definitely higher than elsewhere but not enough to compensate for the increased costs. I already see the prices going up in Arizona real estate from the influx of people leaving California. I'm just so spoiled with the mellow weather that it makes it hard to think about leaving. I'm big into cars and motorcycles though and CA has way too many restrictions on where/when you can ride and literally any type of modifications. That is one big factor that makes me want to leave. The cannabis market is well and alive over here. The quality and variety are top-notch. There are rec shops every few blocks with billboards everywhere. I have buddies who come from out of state and are shocked by the canna culture here.
 

xtsho

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Winter is something many people don't consider when beginning their garden. Most of us grow in our basements and in a state with real winters it gets downright cold in that part of the house. The added heat of HID lighting is actually a benefit. Hell even my T5's kick out a good amount of heat. Without that heat I would literally have to put an electric oil filled radiator in there. So in that situation putting an LED panel that produces little heat would require I add another piece of equipment and consume more electricity. That's not very LED efficient :)

I just got my free Hortibloom COB fixture to try out. It has a veg and bloom switch. The VEG looks like crisp quantum board daylight spectrum illumination. The bloom is purple. The VEG gives off a good amount of warmth that I need in the nursery where it will be housed. The illumination intensity is pretty sweet. I'm going to give it an honest review as I journal the entire grow. I'll post the unboxing and illumination pics shortly. Been a busy fucking day :)
I still end up putting an oil filled heater in the tent sometimes. That's during lights out during the day. At night for the coldest months even with the lights on the temp in the tent doesn't get past 75°. I'm thinking of running 1000 watts of HID in my 4 x 4 this winter after my current run. Probably do a high yield run of some generic hybrid mainly for quantity. Thinking of a couple OG Kush and Night Nurse to replenish my dwindling high octane supply. I'm very sativa heavy right now.
 

jonnynobody

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Yeah it's tough over here. The wages are definitely higher than elsewhere but not enough to compensate for the increased costs. I already see the prices going up in Arizona real estate from the influx of people leaving California. I'm just so spoiled with the mellow weather that it makes it hard to think about leaving. I'm big into cars and motorcycles though and CA has way too many restrictions on where/when you can ride and literally any type of modifications. That is one big factor that makes me want to leave. The cannabis market is well and alive over here. The quality and variety are top-notch. There are rec shops every few blocks with billboards everywhere. I have buddies who come from out of state and are shocked by the canna culture here.
With so many entrenched growers with high output operations what on earth does a pound go for out there? My partner in Oregon that has a 50 plant outdoor farm produces around 150 pounds per year. Due to their entrenched and overly saturated market he has to let go of it for $1k/pound. It provides a great living for him and his wife, and he moves it fast not being greedy. It would kill me a little on the inside to sell a pound for $1k. It actually strikes a little fear in my heart all the way here in Michigan :) Hope that shit never happens here.
 

jonnynobody

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I still end up putting an oil filled heater in the tent sometimes. That's during lights out during the day. At night for the coldest months even with the lights on the temp in the tent doesn't get past 75°. I'm thinking of running 1000 watts of HID in my 4 x 4 this winter after my current run. Probably do a high yield run of some generic hybrid mainly for quantity. Thinking of a couple OG Kush and Night Nurse to replenish my dwindling high octane supply. I'm very sativa heavy right now.
You'd do great with 1000W in there. Just pair it with a high quality inline fan and a nice sealed hood. You'll crank out high times centerfold colas all day long. I hear great things about that night nurse. And from several people. OG Kush is something I've never had, but would love to try. I've never actually grown a kush before. I have girl scout cookies in the flower room now and I believe she has some kush lineage. That's about as close to kush as I've gone so far, but back in the day kush was known as the best of the best for potency and stank. That was in my "just a smoker days" and long before my growing days. I'm long overdue to grow a solid kush strain. How's the yield and flavor? It's been more than half a lifetime since I've smoked any. All I remember is it had a very strong smell and effect.
 

NukaKola

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With so many entrenched growers with high output operations what on earth does a pound go for out there? My partner in Oregon that has a 50 plant outdoor farm produces around 150 pounds per year. Due to their entrenched and overly saturated market he has to let go of it for $1k/pound. It provides a great living for him and his wife, and he moves it fast not being greedy. It would kill me a little on the inside to sell a pound for $1k. It actually strikes a little fear in my heart all the way here in Michigan :) Hope that shit never happens here.
I’ve been out of the game for the last two years but back then outdoor packs were going for around $1k since there are so many outdoor growers in NorCal. Indoor could go for $2k to as much as $3k if it’s some top shelf of a highly desired strain. Keep in mind utilities and commercial rent are astronomical here.

The growers get kind of screwed. It’s the shops that make the money. They can make upwards of $6-9k by the time they break it down.

My gf used to work at a few shops and my buddy is a manager at a Cookies shop and they can pull around $50k/day. Open 7 days a week.
 

jonnynobody

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I’ve been out of the game for the last two years but back then outdoor packs were going for around $1k since there are so many outdoor growers in NorCal. Indoor could go for $2k to as much as $3k if it’s some top shelf of a highly desired strain. Keep in mind utilities and commercial rent are astronomical here.

The growers get kind of screwed. It’s the shops that make the money. They can make upwards of $6-9k by the time they break it down.

My gf used to work at a few shops and my buddy is a manager at a Cookies shop and they can pull around $50k/day. Open 7 days a week.
Good god man. Do most of those dispensaries at least grow their own? If they're just buying from growers and raping them for wholesale rates that are unfair I don't have very happy thoughts about people like that. Business is ugly man. The less I know of other's business the happier I am. I grow and sell to my patients only. I tried dealing with "volume patients" in the past and some (not all) turn into entitled pieces of shit that think because they're buying pot from you frequently that they deserve a special rate for which they are certainly not entitled and was never offered. I have to constantly remind a couple people how much my fucking electric bill is every month and how much time and money I put into my garden. Usually shuts them the fuck up pretty quickly. Not always :) I had this one fella constantly try to renegotiate prices and he annoyed me so much I just cut him completely the fuck off and dropped him from my patient list without so much as a phone call. Changed my phone number even. I hate annoying entitled fuck tards :) And I'd give the shirt off my back to a decent human being. You just gotta get a little Mr. Hyde on those other motherfuckers :)
 

PJ Diaz

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I'm in SoCal where everything is overpriced as f***. 1200-1600 sq ft houses over $500k, gas regularly over $4/gal. I have buddies who pay $1600/mo for 1 bedroom apartments. It's pretty insane, but I do love it here.
Those prices are cheap compared to where I'm at further north in Cali. $500k will get you a 800 sq ft house here if you're lucky, and a 1 br rental is easily over $2k a month.
 
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