Led vs HPS growing

Kushash

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Get a GE Arize, I want your opinion on it
You should ask his opinion about the issue with your grow. I think it could be a good discussion.
There are a few issues and hybrid, onehitdone and a few others might be able to help.

The post you made in the problem section is way to vague for anyone to help at this point.
The people in your LED thread already know something about your grow and would probably give some better suggestions.
If you want help in the thread in the problem section you will need to fill in all the details of your grow to get useful help.
 

oswizzle

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4 GE Arize over a 4x8 ...1600 true watts from the wall vs 2 1000w HPS... If I could get 4 lbs from 1600 watts.... Id be way down with that ...

How do I get the GE Arize lights for a better price.... Id do the experiment
 

colocowboy

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4 GE Arize over a 4x8 ...1600 true watts from the wall vs 2 1000w HPS... If I could get 4 lbs from 1600 watts.... Id be way down with that ...

How do I get the GE Arize lights for a better price.... Id do the experiment
You sir have too much money on your hands, do you want me to send you my address so you can fix that in a more productive way?!
 

Horselover fat

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4 GE Arize over a 4x8 ...1600 true watts from the wall vs 2 1000w HPS... If I could get 4 lbs from 1600 watts.... Id be way down with that ...

How do I get the GE Arize lights for a better price.... Id do the experiment

Oh man. I'd love to try their 180w blurples. Two dimmed down to 120w each in 2x4 would do nicely... 240w and over 850 umol/s :cool:
 

jonnynobody

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4 GE Arize over a 4x8 ...1600 true watts from the wall vs 2 1000w HPS... If I could get 4 lbs from 1600 watts.... Id be way down with that ...

How do I get the GE Arize lights for a better price.... Id do the experiment
One would be hard pressed to get 4LBS with 2000W of hps. 3-3.5# with great genetics is workable. 4 is being a little overly optimistic. Maybe with 50 plants in a sea of green? I remember looking at this scam company called Black Dog that sells LED lights recently. They claim 3# per fixture in their item description. All you have to do is spend $2300 for their overpriced piece of shit LED light. They get rich quick selling garbage to morons who think 1 light is going to produce 3#. I laughed and I laughed. Then I laughed some more. Looking on Amazon Black Dog apparently sells their crap there too. The few reviews available had 1/4 or 1/3 of their board go dark in a very short period of time. Best wishes pulling 4# off of 1600W. You're gonna need a miracle. Not luck.
 

NukaKola

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One would be hard pressed to get 4LBS with 2000W of hps. 3-3.5# with great genetics is workable. 4 is being a little overly optimistic. Maybe with 50 plants in a sea of green? I remember looking at this scam company called Black Dog that sells LED lights recently. They claim 3# per fixture in their item description. All you have to do is spend $2300 for their overpriced piece of shit LED light. They get rich quick selling garbage to morons who think 1 light is going to produce 3#. I laughed and I laughed. Then I laughed some more. Looking on Amazon Black Dog apparently sells their crap there too. The few reviews available had 1/4 or 1/3 of their board go dark in a very short period of time. Best wishes pulling 4# off of 1600W. You're gonna need a miracle. Not luck.
4LBS under 2kw HPS is definitely doable with the right strain & grower. Dialed rooms running DE’s can pull 2-3LB a light. Gavitas on max pull 1200w so 1GPW for 2 lights is ~5.3LBS.
 

jonnynobody

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4LBS under 2kw HPS is definitely doable with the right strain & grower. Dialed rooms running DE’s can pull 2-3LB a light. Gavitas on max pull 1200w so 1GPW for 2 lights is ~5.3LBS.
I have a problem with light manufacturer's telling people "Xyz light" will grow 3#. It's completely subjective to the grower's skills, genetics used, co2 supplementation, number of plants, and veg time. Some manufacturer's claims are just outright through and through bullshit. Particularly in the LED world. Gavitas are top of the line equipment and if an experienced grower is using them the will perform well. However, your lighting is only 1 small piece of the puzzle when it comes to producing a viable and weighty harvest of top shelf quality. You could have 5k watts of light, but if the grower doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground and runs shitty genetics they'll be finding a new line of work quickly. There are simply too many factors to account for. Buying "Xyz" light does not guarantee you shit except a higher electric bill. Yield and quality is determined by all of the factors I mentioned above.
 

xtsho

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You just have to laugh at these LED vs HID threads. Who gives a rats ass? Either light can perform and grow excellent weed. The biggest arguing point with LED's "electricity use and heat" is insignificant to many. The upfront costs of going from HID to LED isn't convincing to many. It costs me $8 a month to run a 600 watt HID that I paid less than $150 for and have already been using for several years and plan on using it for at least several more. It's going to cost me $500 to buy a quality LED to replace it. 4 - 5 years to recover those upfront costs. No thanks. If anything I'm going to buy a 1000 watt HID ballast for $100.

There are much more important factors to growing weed than using an HID or LED. This topic sucks.
 

NukaKola

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You just have to laugh at these LED vs HID threads. Who gives a rats ass? Either light can perform and grow excellent weed. The biggest arguing point with LED's "electricity use and heat" is insignificant to many. The upfront costs of going from HID to LED isn't convincing to many. It costs me $8 a month to run a 600 watt HID that I paid less than $150 for and have already been using for several years and plan on using it for at least several more. It's going to cost me $500 to buy a quality LED to replace it. 4 - 5 years to recover those upfront costs. No thanks. If anything I'm going to buy a 1000 watt HID ballast for $100.

There are much more important factors to growing weed than using an HID or LED. This topic sucks.
Your electricity is only $0.04/kWh? Do you have solar or is it really that cheap where you live?

My rates average to around $0.40/kWh so 600w costs me upwards of $80/month.

I find different lighting to be as interesting as different strains though so I wouldn’t limit myself to only LED solely based off of efficiency. When it comes to cars, I’m more concerned about HP/TQ than MPG. If I had the space I’d love to run all different types of lighting.
 

xtsho

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Your electricity is only $0.04/kWh? Do you have solar or is it really that cheap where you live?

My rates average to around $0.40/kWh so 600w costs me upwards of $80/month.

I find different lighting to be as interesting as different strains though so I wouldn’t limit myself to only LED solely based off of efficiency. When it comes to cars, I’m more concerned about HP/TQ than MPG. If I had the space I’d love to run all different types of lighting.
No solar. I run my lights during off peak hours. But even during peak hours it's just 12.4¢ Cheap electricity here.

Time of Use periodTime of Use priceBasic Service price
On-peak12.380 ¢ per kWh
Mid-peak7.051 ¢ per kWhUp to 1000 kWh: 6.329 ¢ per kWh
> 1000 kWh: 7.051 ¢ per kWh
Off-peak4.128 ¢ per kWh
 

NukaKola

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No solar. I run my lights during off peak hours. But even during peak hours it's just 12.4¢ Cheap electricity here.

Time of Use periodTime of Use priceBasic Service price
On-peak12.380 ¢ per kWh
Mid-peak7.051 ¢ per kWhUp to 1000 kWh: 6.329 ¢ per kWh
> 1000 kWh: 7.051 ¢ per kWh
Off-peak4.128 ¢ per kWh
That’s awesome, I’m extremely jealous! This is what I’m working with. The baseline allowance is nothing so I’m always at the $0.32/kWh rate and then my AC/Dehu still have to run during the $0.49/kWh rate. This is also the summer rates, the winter rates are even higher to screw over the people running solar.

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jonnynobody

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You just have to laugh at these LED vs HID threads. Who gives a rats ass? Either light can perform and grow excellent weed. The biggest arguing point with LED's "electricity use and heat" is insignificant to many. The upfront costs of going from HID to LED isn't convincing to many. It costs me $8 a month to run a 600 watt HID that I paid less than $150 for and have already been using for several years and plan on using it for at least several more. It's going to cost me $500 to buy a quality LED to replace it. 4 - 5 years to recover those upfront costs. No thanks. If anything I'm going to buy a 1000 watt HID ballast for $100.

There are much more important factors to growing weed than using an HID or LED. This topic sucks.
I feel you on that man. These quantum boards are fucked up expensive. The upfront costs are high. I opted for the quantum boards because I can't handle the heat of 2 more HID's in the room with my present cooling equipment. LED was essentially the only way I could upgrade my lighting without installing a $2000 mini split AC unit. It's really about the needs of your grow space and necessity that determines lighting choices. I do laugh quite a bit at the LED versus HID threads. I use both and think those that participate in those dumpster fire threads are just arguing a silly and pointless premise. The goal of any indoor gardener has always been one in the same. Use the best equipment for your growing space and needs. That list of equipment is going to be a little different for each gardener. Why? We all have different size rooms, tents, budgets, and needs. Necessity determines your equipment choices. It's never been marketing or dumpster fire threads :)
 

xtsho

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That’s awesome, I’m extremely jealous! This is what I’m working with. The baseline allowance is nothing so I’m always at the $0.32/kWh rate and then my AC/Dehu still have to run during the $0.49/kWh rate. This is also the summer rates, the winter rates are even higher to screw over the people running solar.

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If I had to pay those electricity prices I'd definitely be going to LED. But I don't so I won't.

I'm actually glad we got these posts showing variations in electricity costs. Maybe the guys telling me I'm living in the past by not spending a bunch of money upgrading to LED's will understand things better.
 

V256.420

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Fuck you guys with those cheap ass rates. No peaks here. Just two rates.

First 1k = 8.6 cents
Anything over 1k = 10.6 cents

Central A/C needed all year round. My bill is off the charts for a few thousand watts.

I just switched my veg rooms to LED after using 600 watt MH conversion bulbs for many years. Huge difference in growth and heat. I got a few of the HLG 550 Bspec's with the Inventronics driver. Running all of them @ a bit under 400 watts in 4 x 4 tents. The nodes are 3 times closer. The stems are 3 times fatter. They drink 2 times faster (every 2 days in 1 gal pots instead of 4). The roots fill in way faster and I have to transplant to 2 gal pots 1 week sooner.

I'm saving money on cooling and getting plants that are wayyyyy more healthy going into flower than I used to. I'm not touting HLG, they are the first LED I have ever used. I have pics posted of some of my first LED grows in other threads if anyone thinks I'm a bs artist.

So far all I have to say is I really like LED for veg. I have yet to use one in flower but I would like to soon. They are just too expensive for me right now and my 600 watt HPS are growing my bud real fine atm. That HLG Scorpion 600 Rspec looks real nice but at that price I will need to sell my house or something :blsmoke:
 

jonnynobody

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Your electricity is only $0.04/kWh? Do you have solar or is it really that cheap where you live?

My rates average to around $0.40/kWh so 600w costs me upwards of $80/month.

I find different lighting to be as interesting as different strains though so I wouldn’t limit myself to only LED solely based off of efficiency. When it comes to cars, I’m more concerned about HP/TQ than MPG. If I had the space I’d love to run all different types of lighting.
I'm certainly no mathematician, but those figures seemed significantly inaccurate. I'd love electric that cheap :)
 

jonnynobody

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Fuck you guys with those cheap ass rates. No peaks here. Just two rates.

First 1k = 8.6 cents
Anything over 1k = 10.6 cents

Central A/C needed all year round. My bill is off the charts for a few thousand watts.

I just switched my veg rooms to LED after using 600 watt MH conversion bulbs for many years. Huge difference in growth and heat. I got a few of the HLG 550 Bspec's with the Inventronics driver. Running all of them @ a bit under 400 watts in 4 x 4 tents. The nodes are 3 times closer. The stems are 3 times fatter. They drink 2 times faster (every 2 days in 1 gal pots instead of 4). The roots fill in way faster and I have to transplant to 2 gal pots 1 week sooner.

I'm saving money on cooling and getting plants that are wayyyyy more healthy going into flower than I used to. I'm not touting HLG, they are the first LED I have ever used. I have pics posted of some of my first LED grows in other threads if anyone thinks I'm a bs artist.

So far all I have to say is I really like LED for veg. I have yet to use one in flower but I would like to soon. They are just too expensive for me right now and my 600 watt HPS are growing my bud real fine atm. That HLG Scorpion 600 Rspec looks real nice but at that price I will need to sell my house or something :blsmoke:
That Scorpion does look like one sexy piece of equipment. I just refuse to put Stephen's kids through college overpaying for hardware. If anyone wants to donate one I'm your guy :)
 
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