i was a vegetarian for 5 years so i feel i have a pretty good baseline to measure from. i was a fat ass before i was a veggie. lost 100 pounds as a veggie but i was an emotional WRECK! UP AND DOWN every day and all over the map. running in circles on red bull one minute - sleeping on the couch the next. just a straight up roller coaster 5 year ride... i hit the gym ALOT and got down to 179 pounds at 6'3". i was was LEAN but i still didn't have abs... the most depressing and LITERALLY the thing that made me question everything i was doing. i worked out so god damned much and did so many ab workouts its not even funny... but a quart of ice-cream gets rid of 11 ab workouts sooooo.. i was spinning my wheels. i now have real deal abs lol. i work out less then i did as a vegetarian and the results are 2-3X as obvious to me. i not only SEE the difference i FEEL it. i used to increase my weights like 5 pounds every 2 weeks as a veggie.. i can probably get 10 pounds a week now EZ. I'm outgrowing kettle bells faster then i can afford bigger ones lol.